Once Wlad defeats Povetkin he enters my top 15 HW's ever thread

definitely agree with the last part. povetkin adds nothing but i have him in my top 20 at the moment and he probably won't move on my list after the marshmallow man

 

i was just thinking about this today. tyson, with the exception of holyfield for a **** ton of cash, never made an effort to avenge his loses. notably douglas.

wlad at the very least went after the only guy he really reasonably could have rematched. i don't know much about purity post wlad but sanders was done after vitali and wlad went after brewster at first chance. and destroyed him (granted he was shot to ****)

 

People are forgetting something.

Povetkin is ****.

So what if he won a gold medal?

So did Audrey Harrison. And look at him.

Anyway, Wlad is Top 20 easy. Not top ten, the only way he would be is if he beat his bro and Haye.

 

I already got Wladdy Klit in at # 13 or so on my top-15 ATG list.....

1. Ali
2. Holmes
3. Johnson
4. Louis
5. Lewis
6. Foreman
7. V.K.
8. Holy
9. Tyson
10. Frazier / Marciano (tie)

11 thru 15 gets tricky.....

Toss in "Dempsey, W.K., Liston, Jeffries & Charles" in any order you care too, but they round-off my top-15......

Christ, even a 1992 version of Riddick Bowe deserves credit.....

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NOTE:

While I believe "Liston & Bowe" were shitty champions during their short stay on top, I do think they were overall great fighters when focused.....
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No really.

Povetkin is not very good.

A legitimate top 5 HW? Maybe that would be worth something 10 years ago, but not now.

Povetkin is too small and does not have great power. His best win is Fat Ed. My lord this division is horrific, im just glad the Klitschkos and Haye are around to beat up these bums.

I dont think its a case of the Klitschkos are too good, dont get me wrong they are great but the HW division is just **** poor. Could ANY of the non belt holders contest at any other point in time. Its a bloody miricle if half these guys are in shape, somewere around the 2002 mark people decided that HW ment fat.

Anyway yeah. Id be suprised if Povetkin lasted 9 rounds.

 

Very true about the overall heavyweight divisions general perspective.....

The 1920s were "Iffy" at best, otherwise, Ol' Jack Dempsey would've been active in 1924 and 1925.... And what, Eugene Tunney retires after beating Tom Heaney in 1928.... WOW!

Joe Louis was a great fighter / champion, but a solid 18 or 19 of his title challengers were nowhere near Louis' class and league........ In my book, Louis' greatest foe was Joe Walcott at the tail end........

The 1950s was filled with big names of folks who were either aging or simply old farts.........

Larry Holmes' comp generally gets eaten alive by the detractors, but I think that's more do to hating on "The Homer." I think Larry Holmes was simply superb as a ring master at heavyweight...... And, all them so-called WBA chumps who were around back in the 80s, well, they ALL had talent and some good skills, but they also were a buncha' lazy *******s to the max......

NOW! Here in 2010, yes, for the most part the division stinks...... But the K-Bros. are simply head and shoulders amongst all other at heavyweight....... "Haye & Povetkin" are the runner up dude's, but that ain't really saying too much..........

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Your blah thread, thread?
Use an ATM machine much?

 

I'm not sure how a victory over the average, untested Povetkin (bar Chambers, who's improved since and who Wlad beat in much better fashion) would prove anything about Wlad's legacy. It's a good scalp of an unbeaten contender, but certainly nothing special.

 

True..... And that 'tis why I already rate W.K. in at # 13 or so in my top-15 list........ To me, W.K. has done enough as is........

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I rate older bro Vitali higher cuz of his bigger size and meaner attitude in the ring...... I also believe V.K. has more intensity from within compared to Wladimir........ V.K. is NOT as polished as a peak Wladimir has become, but Wladimir still has a shaky set of whiskers, while Vitali's beard seemingly cannot even be cut with a blade........... Now, as for skin texture, both bros. can be cut..........

 

I think we have to wait to see how Wlad's career turns out before that. His loss to a very poor guy like Purrity seriously counts against him. Brewster was a decent guy and probably equivalent to a Oliver McCall or Rahman. Sanders... well, it was a freakish loss and he was a hard puncher. It looks bad, but I think his change in style since shows his quality.

 

A few losses is generally good for the soul. Too many losses is bad for the coach.. W.K. has already rebounded and moved on from them defeats to "Purrity, Sanders and Brewster." W.K. in 2010 is a totally different beast..... Peace....

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