"One of the best performances ever by a British fighter." Justifiable, historically?

That's your opinion but its wrong. Dib is a lot better than he gets credit for. Have you ever seen him fight? There's a reason Oscar signed him as a young kid.

 

It was a great performance however I don't think it was top 10, top 20 maybe.

I'd say it ranks just below Calazaghe-Kessler, how do you guys think it ranks compared to it?

 

Very good calculating performance from Carl.

 

Calzaghe vs Kessler ranks higher for me. Kessler is arguably a better fighter than Bute outright, but that isn't the main reason -- I feel both men forced eachother to a higher level that night. Both were never better, imo, despite Kessler losing the fight, he looked razorsharp.

 

It largely depends on Bute's future career. If Bute bounces back and proves himself an excellent fighter then all the more credit to Froch. But if Bute turns out to be a mediocre boxer in his future career then its historically a less significant Froch win.

 

They don't call him the cornish pasty for nothing!

 

Of course the other winner of this fight is Andre Ward.

It clearly settles any question about who the best 168 pounder is.

 

Still, Calzaghe had greater skills. Too bad Joe is not appreciated.

 

Yep, Froch is oldschool in that department. Takes on anyone - but a Ward rematch . He became slowly one of my fav active fighters over the last years - despite some annoying fans - something Calzaghe never managed. I also think he would edge Kessler in a rematch but this will be another close one and hopefully as good as their first one.

I think he´s one of the fighters you look at and see nothing special but where its´totally different once you are in the ring with him.

Bute was not that protected, he foguht some good names, he was more avoided by the big names in the division and frozen out of the super six. Until Froch. I still think Bute would do quite well against Ward actually and Bute Kessler would be a toss-up too.

Bute´s a better win than Lacy for sure. More proven with better allround abilitys and skill.

I say, despite a loss to Ward and another close loss to Kessler, he has an overall better resume than Joe. Calzaghe has more title defences though.

Thing is, nowadays when a guest fighter is still standing at the end of a fight in Germany he´s automatically considered as beeing robbed by "many".

Not saying there are no robberys in Germany. There are. Far too much, too. But nowadays every somewhat close fight in Germany is declared a robbery. Which is, to quote you, "utter bollocks".

I don´t wanna turn this into a "robberys in Germany the 100th time" or "all opponents of Ottke" got robbed thread though. People have their opinions and that´s fine but perhaps it amkes one or another think a bit more objectivly.

It´s not classic "snobbery" to put this win into the right historic perspective, given the thread title and comment. Agree completly with the rest though.

Aye, Kessler had an injury though, if I remember right. But anyway, Kessler performed very well and Calzaghe clearly won. Best win between Calzaghe and Froch. Wonder how to rank Calzaghe, Froch and Kessler.

 

People are crazy when it comes to nationality. If someone decides to be citizen of one country he belongs to this country. To make a decision like that means more IMO than just beeing born in a country and thus citizen. On the other hand people claim that Felix Sturm isn´t German despite him beeing born here, raised here and lived all of his live here based on that his parents were from Bosnia. Or same with Huck and Abraham who moved here when young and took on German citizenship. Many people still live in 19th century when it comes to nationality still defining it by blood and heritage instead of citizenship.