One of the Chin theories has been gaining popularity on ESB. Endorsed by Zak.

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Jazzo, Dec 6, 2009.


  1. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Gradual, no question. The Rahman case is much for typical than the Jones case, for example.
     
  2. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Show me. Almost every Jones fight is on YouTube.

    I take it you have no scientific reason for believing in this theory?
     
  3. SoxNation

    SoxNation Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Sooner or later your whole body starts to break down no matter how tough you are. Look at running backs in the NFL. They're usually done by around thirty. Other football players at other positions have much longer and more effective careers. Your body takes wear and tear, and as you get older it becomes harder to recover from. So why would your chin be any different?
     
  4. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Again, basic physiological decline in humans is a reason for believing in this theory!!! :patsch
     
  5. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    I have already responded to you.

    I want good behavior in this thread.
     
  6. Jazzo

    Jazzo Non-Facebook Fag Full Member

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    Zak, I will help you out here.

    As a career goes on the fighter does not necessarily become weaker. His physical strength may well increase into his 30s. A fighter's punch for instance, will not grow weaker.

    Given that there are so many exceptions to the rule, it is difficult to put them under the category of anomaly.

    You would have to get a different bracket for them.
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Again, show me footage of Jones.

    So you think that because people find it hard to maintain strength in their late thirties it's fair to deduct that punch resistance would also decline? Is this because you feel punch resistance and musculature are heavily linked or because it is representitive of phsyiological decline?
     
  8. McGrain

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    :lol:;)
     
  9. TheUnstoppable

    TheUnstoppable Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I think punch resistance has so many facets its impossible to discuss it while only taking one or two factors into account.

    We'd have to take into account how punishing a persons career was, quality of opponent, how hard/well both parties had trained, history of the person in question, compare nutrition and fitness between eras/trainers/countries etc, take into account fighters personal lives/mental state etc. And many, many more.
     
  10. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I think you are absolutley right.
     
  11. Zakman

    Zakman ESB's Chinchecker Full Member

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    Well, it makes sense that punch resistance might be linked to such variables as the strength of neck muscles, or the ability to recover from blunt force trauma, doesn't it?

    I'm not passing myself off as a physiologist, I'm a social scientist - but this does make sense.
     
  12. PetethePrince

    PetethePrince Slick & Redheaded Full Member

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    A lot of it has to do with conditioning. Peak conditioning in an athlete usually is in his 20's and early 30's. A 38-44 year old man just isn't going to be as conditioned, much less as motivated most often. Hence, the chin confusion. As Ali said "If you're conditioned you can take a good punch easier."
     
  13. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Every fighter is different. There is no exact science to this. Circumstances I think factor into this. Bhops has been dropped, but never ko'd. Other than the Rumble in the Jungle, Foreman also never ko'd especially late in his career.

    I have tried to also come with a conclusion with this subject, but for every case in favor their is one against it. Many fighters in the twilight of their careers on occasion can lose to a journeyman by ko, but then there are many that don't, and stay on their feet. So it pretty much varies and nothing is set in stone.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    There's no question of any serious deterioration in the neck muscles of Roy Jones. His neck stem and upper shoulder are in superb condition:

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    I think it's not unreasonable to speculate that neck strength and punch resistance are linked, but it's a tiny part of the equation if it is a part at all. Holding the neck in place whilst taking a massive punch isn't going to help 99% of fighters. The neck needs to be turning away with the punch.

    I've repeatedly asked you to produce footage of Roy taking punches in prime. You haven't produced any. I don't think there is any. Roy was so supernaturally fast that he always moved with the punch, turned with the punch, stepped with the punch. There is film of him taking two flush punchers from genuine LHW's on film and both ended in KO's.

    It really doesn't. People like you losing your strength in forties and Roy Jones's musculature bare almost nothing in common. If there is deterioration it is tiny. Most fighters gain muscle as they get older with the body absorbing calories it would normally move on (hence weight-making difficulties).

    I think there is almsot nothing to recommend your theory.
     
  15. Legend X

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    It's conditioning as well as age, and of course the reflexes slow making it harder to ride out a hard shot or even see it coming.

    But, yes, over-the-hill fighters have weaker chins than they did in their primes.