One Punch Knockout or Gradual Beatdown?

The punch sheared Layne's teeth off at the nubs...'nuff said!!!

 

The Question was.

What good Big fighter did Marciano beat. Answer =

Carmine Vingo
Johnny Schkor
Joe Louis.

All big, all good.

Here is the facts

A. Were the above 3, Big men.... ANSWER = YES
b. Were the 3 Above Good.... ANSWER = YES

They all 3 had winning records, one was a former world champion.


I love when info is provided to a question, Marciano haters try to change the facts to suit their agenda.

 

Weren't Gradual Beatdown a mid-eighties electro group from Baltimore ?
Sure they toured with Trouble Funk back in the day.

 

Big compared to who and good compared to what?

You can always lower the bar for them to get over it.

Louis and Vingo would be runts in today's division.

None were that good at the point in their careers which Marciano faced them. None of them. Louis-a has been. Vingo- a could have been. Skhor-a never-was.

 

Just your opinion, I have the facts. :rasta 6' 2 " and taller are not runts even today. 6' 1" Layne would not be considered a runt today either.

I could also just as easily say the 3 boxers mentioned were solid contenders ( and they were) but were never the same after Rocky KO ed them.

 

Facts.

Rocky fought 4 fighters over 6' 1" tall that had winning records. He KOed them.

49-0 ....deal with it

 

This simply is not true, the punch damaged Layne's bridgework.

 

The facts are these.
Vingo was a string bean 189lbs novice , just 8.75lbs heavier than Marciano for that fight.
Shkor was never more than a trial horse ,going into the Marciano bout he had 50 fights with 18 losses 3 by ko.
In his previous fight he had been bombed out in one round by Walcott, he had won just 2 of his last 6 fights when he faced Marciano.
Shkor lost to ALL the better men he faced.
Louis was ancient and well past prime he was relying on his left jab to get by. Those are your three?
You've won my case for me then.
I love it when a fan boy , his eyes glazed with hero worship tries to distort the truth to suit his agenda.
And I eat it up with a spoon when he gets absolutely blow out of the water.:good

 

No, that was Gradual Beat Off. One hit wonders whose best seller was " Choke The Chicken", B side," The Knuckle Shuffle".

 

I vote for the 1 punch ko here, despite the punishment meted out against Layne before that. That ending was just too abrupt for it to be anything else.

 

There is one fighter in the current top ten heavies who is 6-1 or under and only one who weighs in regularly under 225.

Layne would be a decided runt today.

 

One punch power.

 

Ah, yes. :good
Great days.

"Knock One Out" was the follow up ... it flopped.

 

"Shkor lost to all the better men he faced."

He beat Tami Mauriello who was rated the #2 or #1 contender from 1942 to 1946, was rated the #1 contender when Shkor fought him, and came within an eyelash of winning the light-heavyweight title at 18 in 1941.

 

Just on Layne's condition---

Layne weight for his big wins from 1950 to 1952 from fightsrec.com

Turkey Thompson--Layne weighed 194

Jersey Joe Walcott--Layne weighed 192

Bob Satterfield--Layne weighed 191

Cesar Brion--Layne weighed 196

Ezzard Charles--Layne weighed 195



Layne weighed 193 for Marciano. This is right in the middle of his weights for his big victories, so it is a stretch to argue he was out of shape.

The announcer for this film was not at ringside, I think, but doing a voiceover of the film years later. He is welcome to his opinion, or that of whoever wrote the script, but I think we can judge the film for ourselves.

Layne looks in good shape to me. Plenty of in-shape fighters have "soft" bellies or small "love handles"--take a look a Jerry Quarry against let's say Lyle or Shavers, or even earlier against Ali. Take a look at Jimmy Young against Foreman or Norton. Or Gerry C--ney in his fights.

Some guys never have the body beautiful like Norton, who looked in more sculptured shape than either Foreman or Holmes when he fought them, but Norton lost anyway.

As for Marciano and Layne--Marciano looks like he was carved from granite while Layne looks like big country boy, but an in-shape one.