One Punch Knockout or Gradual Beatdown?

It happened. I've posted several articles on it. The myth is that it didn't happen.

 

I've just read one that includes all Marciano's best wins it had me convinced until they quoted Louis as saying to Chappie Blackburn "he's hurting me Chappie" , trouble is Blackburn had been dead for 9 years when Louis fought Marciano..

 

and they also had 139 victories,

for a winning percentage of about 83%

Muscato was a veteran on the way down who had been beaten 18 times, but had once risen as high as #2 at light-heavyweight

the other three had their best ratings ahead of them and all three managed to rise into a top five rating

I don't know that much about Whitlock, except he managed to be rated in the top ten in 1948 and 1949 in a division he shared with Ezzard Charles, Archie Moore, Joey Maxim, Bob Foxworth, Bob Satterfield, Lloyd Marshall, Harold Johnson, Boardwalk Billy Smith, Dave Sands, etc. I don't think there was a lack of talent in the division for Nat Fleischer and his advisors to fish out anyone to pad the ratings.

*Just an aside--I am happy to see that you and Mendoza are finding common ground at last in that what really matters is not how many tough fights one has and how one does in them, but just avoiding defeats even if one is also avoiding opponents.

 

What it indicates is that after the lay off, he was unable to perform to anything near resembling his prime.

 

Tbh, it isn't much to get excited about really is it? How long had Holmes been out of the ring before that fight, at 38 years of age?

 

Who ever claimed he could?

No one I know of ever claimed Louis was prime in 1951,

but he was quite another to say he was a set-up. He was still a top man who in fact only lost to champions,

and how many big fellows in history can you say that about?

 

You don't think there was a

lack of talent in the light heavyweight division in the late 40's?

There definitely was one in the heavyweight division .
Once number 2 as a LHVY? Is that it?

Muscato was thoroughly washed up.

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Harry Matthews

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Civic Auditorium, Seattle, Washington, USA L KO 1 10
time: 2:07
1950-05-02

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Nick Barone

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Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, USA L TKO 4 10
time: 3:00 | referee: Eddie Seres
1949-12-19

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Rocky Marciano

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Rhode Island Auditorium, Providence, Rhode Island, USA L TKO 5 10
time: 1:15 | referee: Sharkey Buonanno
1949-10-24

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Archie Moore

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Sports Arena, Toledo, Ohio, USA L KO 6 10
1949-07-25

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Dave Whitlock

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Civic Auditorium, San Francisco, California, USA L PTS 10 10
1949-06-23

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Nick Barone

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MacArthur Stadium, Syracuse, New York, USA L PTS 10 10
Muscato was knocked down twice in the 10th round
1949-05-16

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Enrico Bertola

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Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, USA L UD 10 10
referee: Lou Scozza 4-5 | judge: Fred Hegnauer 3-7 | judge: Eddie Schellerman 2-6
1949-04-12

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Ted Lowry

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Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, USA W UD 12 12
referee: Lou Scozza 6-5 | judge: Fred Hegnauer 7-5 | judge: Leo Stachowiak 6-4
1949-03-08

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Memorial Auditorium, Buffalo, New York, USA L UD 10 10



I share no common ground with Mendoza .I bitterly regret the nessessity of sharing the planet with him.

 

"You don't think there was a lack of talent in the light heavyweight division in the late 40's?"

No. Not at all. A case could be made for it being the division's peak. All the champions from 1941 to 1963 were competing. Moore would be voted the top light-heavyweight of the 20th century by the AP at the end of the century, and Charles was even better and picked as the top light-heavy by the Ring Magazine.

If you consider this a weak division, we just look at things so differently that there is no common ground.

Muscato was past it. The other three (as well as Layne for that matter) were beaten when their best days were still ahead of them. I have never seen Whitlock on film, but the Ring raters were there and I respect their opinion.

 

I agree with you this time that Muscato was washed up and how losses count. The truth is good enough, but for you sometimes it has to pass through a filtered agenda that blocks it.

It's obvious your bitter. It's your defining characteristic here. Amazing stuff if you think about it. How a web site can make one bitter. And if you are, why bother staying? 99.999% of the stuff said here has no effect on my happiness. Believe it or not I do pity you at times.

 

Ed,

WW II took a lot of talent away from the division. Just look at the Ring Magazine annual ratings, and you'll see. 1940-1945 were very weak times for the light heavyweight division.

If Gus Lesnevich is the division champion from 1941-1947 it says it all as he's not even a top 25 AGT at light heavy...

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_Light_Heavyweight--1940s

 

Just on Muscato, though, just look at the level of the competition

Harry Matthews--reached #1 light-heavyweight contender and picked by Ring Magazine as the #1 p4p fighter in 1951.

Nick Barone--#5 light-heavy contender

Rocky Marciano--went on to be undefeated heavyweight champion

Archie Moore--went on to be longest reigning light-heavy champion of the 20th century, and picked by both the Boxing Writers of America and AP as the top light-heavy of the century.

Dave Whitlock--#7 light-heavyweight contender

Nick Barone--again

Enrico Bertola--pretty good Euro fighter, but the weakest opponent he lost to.

Tiger Ted Lowry--Muscato beat him.

Lee Oma--#2 heavyweight contender.

He was going downhill, but gosh, they really threw guys to the wolves in those days. It would take a pretty good fighter to sweep this opposition or even manage more than a win or two.

 

Multiple reliable sources:
https://news.google.com/newspapers?...pg=6235,2498921&dq=maricano+layne+teeth&hl=en

https://news.google.com/newspapers?...692,3763662&dq=rex+layne+marciano+teeth&hl=en

Now prove it didn't happen. Prove its all a terrible lie.

 

My post was badly worded I meant the question rhetorically,as a lead into the Heavyweight quality.
Layne wasn't much ,a Chris Arreola of the 50's.

Whitlock? I respect the facts,there's nothing on his reecord to get excited about.