One punch power: Marciano vs Tyson

Thats only because Tyson had the speed to "one time" people earlier in a fight. Taking longer to time someone dosnt mean your not hitting lighter when you finally get round to it.

Max Baer was a huge puncher but it took him a while to track Schmeling down. Louis later did it in a round.

 

A lot of those guys hardly landed anything on Lewis

Toney chin is proven, Lewis' cracked when he was caught with a good shot.

Do you think Mcall/Rahman would have stopped Toney, Holyfield or Tyson?

 

Schmeling was 5 years older when Louis kod him.atsch

Tyson was 3 times as accurate with his punches as Marciano who sometimes fell over when he missed punches.
I take it you agree Tyson gets all of those Marciano opponents I named out quicker than Marciano did? If you do, perhaps you will say so?:think

 

How about judging them on the age and how near their primes their opponents were ?:think

 

Absolutely mcvey. And I am saying it. Tyson does beat all those guys quicker because Tyson had that edge in speed. He could land blind and what you don't see knocks you out.

It does not mean Rocky dosnt have simular or perhaps more power. I think on a machine Tyson might hit harder but against fighters Rocky hit harder. It could be negligible. Holmes said Tyson had Sharp power. Not as hard as SHavers or Norton but he made the point that punching sharper was a better asset for obvious reasons since Tyson he knocked Holmes out and they did not. Rocky had blunt power.

 

Jackson was a ham and egger who had been kod in his 1st fight and had lost 2 of his six contests.
Wilson was not off his feet, and was kod cold by light punching Lastarza in 4rds.
Shkor had been kod in1 rd in his last fight by Walcott.
He was stopped on his feet by Marciano.

Connelly was stopped on his feet.
Another ham and egger.

Louis didn't go to hospital after the Marciano fight,and 2 weeks after that fight he was boxing exhibitions in Tokyo.
Carmine Vingo scaled 189lbs for the Marciano fight not 220lbs, he was put down by a series of punches, the last one being a left hook when he was floored his head crashed onto the canvas the referee waved it off at the count of 3.
Marciano never scaled more than 192.5lbs for a pro fight and he only scaled 190 or over 4 times in his 49 contests.
Jack Dempsey rarely scaled 198lbs for a fight.

 

Thank you for agreeing with me regarding Tyson against those opponents. Walcott said Marciano had heavier power than Louis but that Louis was the better puncher because he was a rhythm puncher.
Dempsey said he thought Marciano had better one shot power than himself. Marciano does have some one punch kos but he also bludgeoned a lot of guys giving them sustained beatings before they succumbed and some of them were still standing at the end, the only men standing at the end of a prime Tyson fight were usallly those that just fought to survive like Tucker and Smith.Ruddock was an exception and Tyson ruined him. Willis Applegate 11-14-2 met Marciano toe to toe and went the distance without being on the deck.
Art Henri 13-15-1 did the same and went into the 9th before being stopped on his feet.
Gino Buonovino traded with Marciano and went into the 10th before being stopped on his feet.
Anyone who traded with Tyson usally made an early exit, he was a better finisher than Marciano , no way would Lastarza have been allowed to hang around when he was a defenceless like that.

Tyson's finish of Pinklon Thomas is a classic of execution.

 

Gino was stopped on his feet? I'm sure it wasn't your intention to twist the truth, but that's laughable Mcvey .... Absolutely laughable.

 

Also Tillis was stopped by virtually every fighter of note he fought. Tyson on the other hand could only drop him while he was off balance and he landed his fair share of clean shots throughout the fight. Tillis also traded with him at various points in the fight.

Who you did stop is more important for me than who you didn't. Marciano stopped greater fighters, so for his era and potentially p4p I'd say Rocky hit harder, but shot for shot I'd agree with the consensus that Tyson has greater one punch power

 

Tyson hit harder. Rocky carried his power into the later rounds. Tyson's bombs became fewer and less impactful in the second half of the fight.

 

You save me some time. Agreed its laughable.

 

It is safe to say both men hit hard enough. ATG power.

 

I'm referring to their first fight, in which Gino went into the tenth and was stopped on his feet.When Marciano stopped him the second time he had won just 2 of his last7 fights and was having his swan song fight,and had been banged out in 1 round[54seconds ] by Joe Baksi in his previous fight.

Marciano took 7 rounds longer to get rid of Buonvino in their first fight than 178lbs NIck Barone had 2 months earlier and Barone had Buonvino down twice, Rocky only once .

Marciano took 4 rds longer to stop Buonvino than Roland Lastarza did the year previously and Lastarza was no puncher.

I think the laugh is on you W

 

See my follow up post CRETIN!atsch

 

When you stop them is equally important.If it's when they are 40 ,37 and 38,and 33 that should be taken into consideration.Or do you think having Holmes as a ko scalp is that impressive given his age and lack of activity at the time? If you do then Tyson has to win the "name game" hands down. Marciano stopped great fighters who were old men, and past prime.