Only 25% of Jimmy Wilde's opposition had winning records

You mad Jack johnson looks better than Klitchko on film? Somebody put up that video with vitali in black an white video please. youll see what i mean

 

BX Stand up!

:rofl :deal

 

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUL-6M9wKwA[/ame]

Look at the punching on him. oh noooooo its black n white film

 

Look at the subtle movement of walcott. something you dont see these days

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0hZKnQ07IE[/ame]

 

Old school banger that literally learned on the job. Thats why he took a few more losses than he really should have. Didnt eat much an worked all day to take care of his fam.respect.

 

nut:nut

 

Kid Gavilan with his bolo punches, yeah, they'd land today right?

George Foreman with his head down, hands down, walking forward with looping punches. Yeah, that'd work today when he's not the only 6'4, 230lb fighter available.

Face facts, the passing of time makes you think fighters of yester-year are better than fighters of today, completely contradictory to every other sport within the world, every other athletic activity, every other technique based thing with photo/video analysis.

"But the old pros were taught better" - no they weren't, the old pros weren't competing against Soviet and Cuban fighters, basically.

 

ps - to answer some ****nuts point about Calzaghe.

At the same respective points in their careers, Andre Ward is a better fighter and would beat the "similar" version of Calzaghe in a fight. Prime vs Prime, Andre Ward will likely rise to be a better fighter than Calzaghe was too.

New comes, replaces old, rebuilds the way boxing is done and makes it more efficient - we see it in sprinting, shot put, swimming, football, baseball.

 

Lewis and Wladimir are part of the same modern era
Lewis had close to prime fights in 2000. Wladimir was 30+ fights in at that time already. Stop acting like Lewis was from 60 years ago. He's just as big, just as strong, just as good, with a better chin, and with much better inside fighting.

Lewis was knocked out twice by opponents he took lightly. He will treat Wladimir as the biggest threat of his life and can do this 1 of 2 ways.
He will either bomb out Wladimir early, or he will outbox Wlad throughout 12 rounds, accumulating punishment on Wlad with inside fighting.
Wladimir's chin did not get better, he simply learn how to fight more cautious and protect it better against inferior opposition.

If we talking chins here, Lennox's is much more proven then Wladimir's. Lewis took monster shots from close to Prime Vitali and did not go down once. He fought massive punchers in Golota-Grant-Tua-Ruddock-Bruno-and even shot Tyson had big 1 punch KO Power.

People acting like Lennox never got hit before, he took a immense amount of punishment throughout his career and only went down twice due to lack of mental preparation against inferior opponents.


You saying Wladimir is 'better' because he dominated the sport make me believe you are not that old guy in your shitty picture, but actually some 16 year old racist moron who jerk off to Vitali Wlad photoshoots.

Wladimir dominated a weak era, a weak era proclaimed weak by 100% of all the expert boxing pundits and magazines. You can say they are all haters and they are **** and you know better.

They are the ones with jobs related to boxing, they are the ones writing about boxing. I trust these professionals in regards to how weak this era is more then I trust some insane delusional Klittard fanboys.


Wladimir in the 90's would never have reached the prime level he is at now.

Can PRIME WLAD beat Bowe? YES. Can PRIME Wlad beat Ruddock? Yes.
Can PRIME WLAD even beat Holyfield? Maybe.

But that's not the point, the point is in the 90's Wlad would never have reached his prime, because a green version of Wlad would have had to go through B Rated opposition and Gate Keepers much tougher then the ones he went through in the early 2000's.

Wladimir after his embarrassing lost to Purrity fought
Monte Barrett David Bostice Paea Wolfgramm Lajos Eros and Phil Jackson
leading up to his WBO Title shot against Chris Byrd.

If Wladimir was in the 90's era, , he would have had to go through Ruddock Bruno Tommy Morrison,Tua,Ike and possibly Golota to get a title shot at a Holyfield or Lewis.

If you think the version of Wladimir that fought Ross Purrity could have beaten the likes of Bruno or Ruddock you are out of your god damn mind.

If the version of Wladimir that fought Purrity fought Ruddock, he wouldn't have gassed out and lost because of stamina issues. He would have been brutally injured.

If Wlad fought in the 90's, he never would have reached his prime, instead what would have most likely happened is that he would have suffered 3-4 bad knockouts and retired.


Everything Wlad do is emulated from Lewis.

Lennox fighting Wladimir will be like a African Lion fighting a North American Mountain Lion.

Lewis would have smell the scent of an inferior ***** and ****ed it

 

Wlad and Lewis have the same trainer, of course they'll have similar styles but lessons learnt, action learning, etcetera - Steward will know better how to train Wlad in that art than he did in Lewis's hayday.

Prime wise, Lennox was prime in 1996, Wlad was prime in 2007. 11 year gap is huge in boxing and any other sport. Think of the progression of 100m world records in the last 11 years for instance.

Wlad in terms of his nutrition, fight science, training techniques, timeframes and knowledge how to reach peak condition is above what Lennox was at in 1996. Anyone should realise this.

The idea that Wlad would be knocked out by some of those bums you mentioned makes me laugh. Ruddock, Bowe, sure? Tough fighters. The rest, Tua? Never handled tall fighters well, Bruno? The moment he gets hit by Wlad he'll fold quicker than he did against most other heavyh hitters, Ike? No one knows how good or bad he could have been due to his incarceration - to be honest, I'd have Ike teaching Holyfield and Tyson lessons and making Lewis work harder than he had in his golden period.

 

Ok Got you. So 'prime Lewis' was 1996 right?

So Vitali fought 2004 Version of Lewis

Thank you for verifying what everyone already knew.

Shot to **** 8 years past prime Lewis tko6 Vitali

 

You are ****ing ******ed as ****.

Wlad was 30+ fights in by 2000.

He is considered more or less the same modern era as they are.

Nobody said Prime Wlad will lose to Tua

I'm saying The Wlad that fought Ross Purrity would have lost to Tua...

he never would have progressed to Prime if he had to fight in the early and mid 90's.

What are you 15? There is no ****ing way you are even fully grown

 

I'm done talking to this moron **** PugilistPower

stupid flaky ass batman kermit the frog looking mother fuker

on a **** ass boat

 

Being that Lewis had his last fight that night, of course he was post prime. Only idiots try to deny that Vitali was in a better state of prime than Lewis was when they fought.

But anyone who talks "TKO6" doesn't realise in reality, the fight was a retirement based on injury. Yes, injury caused by punch but we saw enough in that fight to realise Vitali could match it with Lewis and I think in a rematch, he'd have beaten him.

Wlad in his prime? Different beast, much better defense than his brother, better punching style, more measured and methodical. The things that you guys call him boring for is exactly why he's a better fighter than his iron chinned, horse punching, unorthodox brother.