Only 25% of Jimmy Wilde's opposition had winning records

Alvarez has 40 fights, does that mean he's on Floyd Mayweathers level and timeframe?

No, you ****ing mook. It doesn't.

 

If it's about their accomplishments during their time then there is no argument that guys like Manny Pacquaio and Floyd Mayweather Jr are the greatest boxers of all time due to their rise through various ranks and the amount of championships they've held within the current environment.

Or a guy like Bernard Hopkins or Calzaghe due to their longevity in the sport and record setting title defense streaks and the fact that they were "the man" in their division for ten or so years.

 

Eusebio Pedroza threw similar bolo punches in the seventies and they were landing with some regularity on high quality opponents. Plus the other punches that Gavilan had in his arsenal (from a right that could be thrown from multiple angles to a variety of uppercuts) certainly could be used if the bolo proved ineffective. :deal

How big was Huck when he faced Povetikin? How good did his punching look in that fight.]? Answer: Not any bigger than Foreman, and not any better than Big George's. Marco was throwing wide looping right hands that connected repeatedly against a larger opponent, in spite of the fact that they were badly telegraphed. Like....The message was sent in the previous round, when Huck first began to throw the punch kind of telegraphed.

Yet fighters from previous eras have been able to enjoy at least some measure of success against younger opponents from the present day. Hopkins won a world championship when he was well into his 40's, and part of the reason for that was because he was using defensive techniques and angles that aren't taught with the same frequency today. Guillermo Jones has been fighting in the 90's, and remains a cruiserweight titleholder. Virgil Hill won his first world title in the 80's, and his last in the previous decade.

Any reason why that might be...?

Cubans were a part of professional boxing up to the point when Castro took over. Gavilan, Chocolate, Napoles, Sugar Ramos, and a number of others made their marks on the sport. Members of the Eastern Bloc didn't necessarily have the opportunity to turn pro, but it's no guarantee that a fighter from the Bloc would have been able to hang with Frazier, Ali, Foreman et al anyway...because at that point their instruction was geared toward excelling at the amateur level.

Basically, what I'm saying is that fighters from the past aren't automatically better or worse than present day fighters because they fought in previous eras. It comes down to each individual case. Always has...always will.:deal

 

Jimmy McLarnin rose through the divisions, and had there been multiple titles in the 1920's and 1930's would almost certainly have accumulated titles at multiple weights.

And Joe Louis set a title defense streak that has yet to be matches, in spite of the fact that he took four years off to serve in the US military.

Just saying.

 

This man has some sense. well said

 

Hopkins bought new age training methods into his gym regime, he was never afraid to learn from the new school to supplement the old school - his nutrition standards and the way he goes about his vitamin stack is completely new school and cutting edge. He even trains MMA techniques these days to add something new to his routine. The fact that he himself considered himself fitter and a better fighter at 42 than he was at 32 should tell you something about the advances in the sport during his time - he's the poster child for that.

George Foreman for instance in his return worked new age training methods, had new age nutrition and discipline and constructed a fight plan that suited his heavy punch but slow movement.

So realistically? Hopkins is a prime example of why new beats old - no one has ever had the longevity in the sport he has had in terms of coming into almost a second prime in his early to mid 40s.

 

Archie Moore...?

The Old Mongoose was arguably at his best from 1951 to 1954, when he lost only once in approximately sixty fights and avenged it a number of times over. He also used some different diets and training techniques...But like Hopkins, another key reason for his success was the in-ring technique that he had perfected through multiple years of combat. In many ways, what Moore did past the age of 37 was even more incredible, because he was fighting up to 12 times a year even in the later stages of his career.

The fact that Hopkins did what he did doesn't diminish what Moore did...or vice versa. Time and place for everything in this sport.

 

You're full of ****! I have never seen Jimmy Wilde ranked in anyones top 10.

To answer your real question YES Jimmy does rank significantly higher than both Klits you nuthugging biatch

Also you have to take into consideration the era.....you don't compare them based on what jimmy wilde from 1911 would do against Miguel Canto of the late 70's.

you have to take the scientific, training and strategy advances into consideration. For instance if Wlad came up in the old days and fought in 1930 he wouldn't be the same Wlad you see today, he'd be a Primo carnera. if Carnera had the benefit of todays training/advances he would be a much better fighter than he was in the 30's. All you can do is judge them vs the greats of their own eras and base your ranking on that.

 

He'd probably be at least as successful as SNV, though. :deal

 

I can honestly say I've never heard anyone have Wilde in their top 10, personally I don't have him in my top 10. Having said all that you are clearly a douche-bag troll, and I'll be adding you to my ignore list. Greatest option of the ESB forums.

 

I've read it several times, very good book :yep although I don't agree with a lot of his placement. That and he was really bad at using the same analogies, puns, jokes over and over again, several times each in the same and even multiple books.

 

oh ****

 

hopkins has also gone on record to say the fighters of old are better than the fighters of today.

as far as him being better in his 40s than his early 30s...i recommend watching hopkins vs an undefeated glen johnson. its the only time johnson's been stopped in his whole career.

 

Bolo punch was invented by Ceferino Garcia. Fck out ah here with that Gavilan BS.

Damn, bruh. Wilde got hit flush in round 2 and got KTFO by Villa. :happy He should of protested cause he was gonna get KTFO it was just a matter of time.