Only 7k tickets sold for Fury v Wilder so far!

We do understand it, that's why some of us find it hilarious that Wilder, Team Wilder and his fans seem to think it's completely reasonable to demand ridiculous amounts of money.

This is one of our main points, Wilder brings very little to the table in terms of fanbase and numbers.

And don't start that race rubbish with me, in recent years Mayweather did rather well out of boxing and just in case you didn't notice.. Mayweather is a black American.


So it's really gone that way, 200K is now a success, really, an American WBC Heavyweight Champion in the US and 200k is a success?

I remember the absolute dogs abuse Golovkin got for doing 150k PPV buys and he isn't even American.

It's all very different now isn't it.

 

Probably ticket prices are just too high. Mayweather-McGregor didn't sell out did it? According to an article the other day on the scene, there is overwhelming demand and they have released more tickets. I always thought it would do well at the gate but not good PPV wise. We shall see

 

Wilder does bring something to the table. The last piece of the jigsaw for Joshua the WBC Belt. And the US PPV Market which is the most lucrative market in the world.

If Wilder-Fury does 300K US Buys, that’s the same level of revenue generated for the majority of Joshua’s fights

I don’t know why people would prefer to see Joshua v Whyte or Usyk rather than Joshua v Wilder. We should be begging for this fight

Race matters a lot, Mayweather had to act like a ***** to get people to buy. People bought his PPV’s so they could watch him lose.

 

Hang on, you said on your post above that boxing isn't big in the US, it is a niche sport and 200k is a success.. so how is that Wilder bringing the US market? Because you just said there wasn't much of a US boxing/PPV market.

As for the last piece of the jigsaw, well Parker had a piece of the jigsaw, he wasn't demanding ridiculous amounts of money. He got paid very well and come over here and fought.

UK boxing fans want to see the best fights, of course we do, we are without down the best boxing fans in the world, it's not even debatable, we fill stadiums, arenas, we travel in large numbers all over the world supporting fighters we love.

But we also understand and most of us don't expect our promoters to overpay or pay ridiculous amounts of money to arrogant, delusional, self entitled idiots like Wilder.

Race really doesn't matter in 2018, from everything to musicians, sports stars, actors, some of the most loved, adored, popular, successful and wealthy are black Americans.

Wilder is the one who has an issue with race, he called Hearn a "slave owner" which was ridiculous considering Finkel is also white and pays Wilder 10x less than Joshua gets from Hearn.

Wilder said he isn't liked in the UK because he is black but Joshua seems to be doing very well, Lennox before him and even Frank Bruno, 3 loved and adored British heavyweights.

So Wilder calls UK fight fans racist and don't understand why he isnt well received, it's hilarious.

This all comes down to self entitlement and delusion, Wilder can't get what he wants so everybody is racist, even when it makes no sense whatsoever.

 

Wouldnt say either, just explain to me how Wilder beats Fury. All I hear is Wilder knocks him out, Wilder knocks him out... OK, how? Wilder relies a lot in his fights on sitting on the backfoot waiting for the counter right hand. Cant do that against Fury, he doesnt have to go inside, Fury is bigger with a longer reach, far superior skills, constant head, body, feet movement and will jab his head off from the outside. Thus Wilder is going to have to come forward for victory. No disrespect to Wilder, but without a stationary opponent, his come forward skills arent exactly world standard and he struggles with movement/skilled boxers, ala Washington/Szpilka/Ortiz. He regularly telegraphs and over commits his punches, leaving himself wide open and off balance when hes coming forward. Against an excellent defensive/elusive fighter like Fury who thrives on fighting off the backfoot, using constant fients, flinches, orthodox, southpaw, pivoting, tying up, spoiling, setting up, baiting, controlling the tempo, theres no way in hell Wilder outboxes Fury and he will find it extremely difficult ala Klitschko to simply get his punches off let alone land a KO punch. One of Wilders greatest advantages is the awkwardness/angles of the punches he throws due to his skinny frame and height. Against a 6'9 Fury who is also extremely awkward, his punches arent going to be nowhere near as awkward as they are all going to have to be thrown up, reducing Wilders power, leverage and punch range. IMO, Fury outboxes, outclasses, and clowns Wilder for 7 or 8 rounds, before catching and putting away a well beaten Wilder late. If Wilder knocks him out, ill give him full credit for KOing an excellent fighter in a difficult test just as I did Ortiz. Im just not convinced and see the advantages in Furys court.

 

You are judging glimpses/the best highlights of Fury, basically at his very best and most boring and assuming he does this for 36 minutes against Wilder.

Even in Furys best win, Klitschko, the moment Wladimir finally let his hands go he started to land.

Cunningham landed, even John McDermott landed, many many many fighters have landed on Fury.

Fury isn't Willie Pep. So stop pretending he is, He can be hit, he can he hurt, he can be dropped, Fury is just tall with long arms, it works for him sometimes and sometimes it doesn't.

People seem to have frozen Fury in time, like he is and will always be that fighter against Klitschko, a Klitschko for whatever reason didn't let his hands go and didn't really give it a real go.

I suggest you sit through that Pianeta fight again, if you can I admire your will power and concentration, but I suggest you do and then come back and tell me Wilder hasn't got the speed and arm length to land.

 

Well of course he does, just not the skill to stop him. I said even this rusty version of Fury beats Wilder in a previous post, not someone frozen in time. Lots of fighters have landed on Fury, mentioning McDermott is probably a bit frozen in time, but regardless, none at world level have been able to land with any regularity. Klitschko didn't let his hands go because he was bamboozled and outboxed by Fury on the night, simply as that. Fury used his boxing brain and fought an excellent fight, as he will do with Wilder, and stop him late.

 

"None at world level have been able to land on him"

How many world level fighters has Fury fought, genuinely world level?

One, Klitschko. I'm not saying Fury didn't make it very hard for Wladimir, but may I suggest you go back and read through the RBR on here and have a little refresh of what most of you saw and said.

Fury was savaged for his performance, it wasn't what anlot of you are remembering it as, it's like the Mandela effect.

 

Excellent posts. I thinks this is about as close to a 50/50 fight as it gets. But I think/hope this is the way it goes down.

I do think Wilders greater willingness to throw, his greater awkwardness, and his slightly greater length make him a tougher style matchup for Fury than Wlad though (although of course Wlad is the much better fighter than Wilder overall).

 

Your math is off in regards to revenue.

Joshua averaged over 1.2 mill for his last 4 fights. But let's say he does 1 mill, at £19.95 GBP or $25.95 USD that's a total revenue of $25.93 mill USD.

Wilder/Fury is going for $65 or $75 on HD, let's go with the higher, to generate $25.93 mill Wilder/Fury needs to do a minimum of 345,800K PPV's if all of the purchases are at the higher price.

I will be surprised if this fight does that much and if it does you have to factor in things like the live gate, which currently doesn't look like it would by anywhere near as much as Joshua, routinely does.

 

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i 100% agree

 

74? Are you ****ing kidding me?
Oh boy, they are going to get shredded after all is said and done.