>>> Only Lomachenko and Golovkin can get away with...

Golovkin had a considerable size advantage. He's a natural middleweight, Brook was just bulking up. If Crawford moves up to 147 and faces Thurman or Spence but weighed more on fight night, Crawford is still the smaller man.

Golovkin didn't need to add density or any muscle. It was obvious he's the bigger man.

Brook fought at 147 in his last fight before Golovkin and you're saying he's the bigger man?

 

What does "get away with it" mean?

How was Mayweather unable to "get away" with the Marquez fight in a way that Golovkin was able to "get away" with Brook?

Regarding Lomachenko, what fight are you referring to that has actually happened, he's the one that's been moving up in weight in all his recent bouts.

 

Can you show me the hard numbers that back this up, where was the considerable size advantage on fight night?

Brook claimed his natural weight was middle, his training regime was quite public and there was little talk of "bulking up", and more talk of "less cutting."

Regardless, this is just a means to an end. Weight is not a constant or a matter of opinion, it is fact. If 190 pound Holyfield fought a 211 pound Bobby Czyz, he would be the smaller man. If a 217 pound Holyfield fought a 190 pound Bobby Czyz, he would be the bigger man. Who is better at these different weights and stronger...now that's a matter of demonstration.

No, he would be the heavier man. That's just the facts of the matter.

In terms of weight, Brook was heavier, and there's no getting around that. Golovkin's size advantage was a modest inch in wingspan and height. Now if you want to talk power....Golovkin was clearly the more damaging puncher as he has been against all his opponents.

 

Rigo fights at 122 for a good reason.

Chenko fights at 130 for a good reason.

 

Been dead since 2008, Bro.

 

No, not yet, but if he did, you can bet a lot of guys here would try to make it seem like a legit fight.

 

what fight Floyd did that ? news to me

 

dont you love these HEAVYWEIGHT CHAMPION WILDER haters they come up with the most dumbest crap.Reason why they are like that hes gonna ko their false idols.

 

The back lash is larger for Floyd than it is for Golovkin, which is true, but there's two important notes to that; 1) Floyd is more popular/mainstream and 2) someone who gives Floyd a pass might not give Golovkin a pass and vice versa. It's simple. The problem is OP tossing everyone into the same pot as though his view is absolute.

 

You're fixed on hard numbers which isn't wrong, but doesn't take into account context. Fact is Golovkin is a middleweight and has been. Brook is not and hasn't been. Brook might weigh 180 right now, he's not a light heavy. Brook weighed more, sure, but so do I... and both of them are bigger than me. I mean, technically I'm heavier, but they're bigger, taking everything into context. Give me the same workout regimen and diet in a training camp to fight Golovkin or brook and I probably end up smaller than both of them.

One simple question...

Brook can make welter and be effective. Can Golovkin?

Like I said, it's not a huge difference but it's a difference. Golovkin is bigger, Brook packs on a lot of muscle. Brook can fight at 147, Golovkin cannot, therefore Golovkin is bigger.

 

As already said throughout the thread, the Marquez fight was originally set at a catch weight of 144. But two days before the weigh in, Mayweather had the contract changed to 147 full welter weight limit.

Now it's Marquez own fought for going through with the fight, but once more, I wander what Nay Sayer and Pimp C would have to say about Golovkin if he pulled BS like that with Brook.

 

If he entered the ring at that weight he would be.

If you weigh more and are not significantly dwarfed in height and reach, than you are bigger than them. That's facts. Now if they are more fit and strong at a lighter weight than you, that's a completely different matter.

If you are consuming and burning the same amount of calories and end up lighter, that's a matter of metabolism.

Can he? He just lost to Spence and said he's never cutting down to welter again.

Anything is possible. The issue is Golovkin is confident in his power and durability at middleweight, so doesn't have a need to cut down and face smaller men. Though I would add his fight night weight in the high 160s is consistent with Super Welters.

That is not what "bigger" means. "Bigger" is a description of present size, not a fighter's ability or willingness to adjust their weight.

How does one measure that? The controversy surrounding the Marquez fight came after the unprecedented last second contract change. When the fight was originally announced as a catch weight, Mayweather's big return against Pac's rival was met with very little negativity.

 

Golovkin hasn't been in the 160s on fight night for years.

 

So that's why Wilder called dibs on him.

 

GGG is naturally the bigger man between him and Brook, that can't be argued. He was able to walk through his shots so yes size played apart of it because GGG is used to getting hit by men his own size and bigger men than himself, Brook is naturally smaller. So kill that noise.
PBF had the styles advantage against JMM that played a bigger part of their match up than size. He's a counter puncher but he's faster and better at it. JMM had no chance of outboxing PBF, he can't beat him at his own game. Brook was outboxing GGG it was GGG's size and power and his ability to absorb shots were simply too much. If GGG and Brook were the same size, Brook would beat him or atleast give him hell. If PBF and JMM were the same size PBF would always beat JMM easily.