Opinion: Greatest Head to Head Heavyweight ATG.

You mean "Prime Motivated Lewis," right?

 

Did I deny Lewis was an ATG, a great fighter?

I merely stated that Lewis' main trouble is going to be his ability to take the shot from the murderous punching ATG's whom are going to be up there with his skill level in their respective styles and can therefore deliver the KO shots that would spark him, but would not spark some harder chinned examples.

Ali dropped him, but Liston chose to stay down, that's the difference. Lewis and Douglas KOed Tyson, but after a very lengthy beating, thus the difference.

And by the way, a peak Tyson did not show up in the Douglas fight, he was all off. That Tyson was easily comparable to the Lewis that showed up vs. McCall and Rahman, lazy and unfocused for certain.

I don't understand why you want to put forth that if Douglas can control Tyson, then Lewis can, but then completely deny my notion that if Rahman can KO Lewis in 5, then Tyson can do it easier...

 

I never said you didn't call Lewis an ATG. Read it again....

And while that may not have been the best version of Tyson, we also know that Tyson didn't exacly fight anyone in his prime that had the ability and power of a Lewis. Or the ability of any other high level fighter.

We don't know what Liston chose to do. That's speculation. I know he DID stay down.

And I haven't denied you anything. Remember, you were the one who said what I said was absurd. Not vice versa. Tyson could certainly stop Lewis. A guy like Tyson could stop anyone almost. But he could also get his ass handed to him by someone who was simply superior.

 

His KO win over an ATG, past his best but still very solid in Holmes is pretty telling. I personally feel that Lewis would be easy work for the earlier, explosive Tyson and it's really easy to invision. It's easier to invision than Lewis actually lasting through the first 5 rounds of the technical swarming of Tyson.

We can at least agree that it's much less official than Lewis getting sparked flat by Rahman, which there is no way around that one.

I didn't say you were absurd, I said the notion that Lewis was the best head to head was absurd and believe me, it's becoming a common accepted factor and I don't like it!:bart

Tyson got his ass handed to him when he was well out of his best though, it'd have been difficult to do so on a peak Tyson under Rooney's guide.

Tyson's legacy has been tainted and that's fine, there are good reasons why, but the bad part is that it's taken away from what he actually was at his peak, even within intellectual circles when it comes to boxing.

 

I'm not taking away from Tyson. I am just regarding Lewis higher.

 

I'd pick Lennox over Ali actually...

But I can agree with your sentiments on Louis.

 

Lennox is a pretty reasonable head-to-head choice, but there's always the possibility that he gets his chin checked.

 

Simple, Ali lacks the power to stop a perfectly focused Lennox and the fact that Ali never has fought a boxer-puncher like Lennox who was dynamic with big power himself.

Lennox would easily land his best shots on Ali, who's defence was at times lacking.

I actually feel Ali gets stopped here. Just my opinion. If you think Louis can KO Ali, well a 250 pound Lennox Lewis could also.

 

Well, Zora Folley sure landed his share of lead right hands....:yep