Opinion on modern little guys

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by natonic, Dec 10, 2010.


  1. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I'm trying to study up on modern fighters (last 10 years) from Bantamweight and below. I think there has been some quality there. I'm looking for some input to help my studies. What I'm looking for is to rank these guys P4P, opinions on each fighter and whether they have made an impact historically (HOF or ATG potential) or still have that potential. Also, please feel free to school me on any fighters I may have overlooked. I've always found it difficult to rate guys at these weights due to lack of knowledge of their opponents, but I do know quality when I see it. Here's my list:

    Nonito Donaire - This guy is the real article IMO. ATG potential, he just needs to fight.

    Cristian Mijares - I realize he took a nosedive, but I enjoyed his previous work

    Fernando Montiel - Don't know a whole lot about him, but I don't think he beats Donaire from what I've seen.

    Hasegawa - Don't know much.

    Ivan Calderon - I've enjoyed some of his fights, but I know he doesn't get a lot of love on Classic.

    Mark Johnson - Enjoyed his work.

    Opinions please. Any others? (Arce and Darchinyan don't do much for me)
     
  2. Nicky P

    Nicky P Jamiva Boxing Full Member

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    I'm interested in seeing responses here too.

    I'm a big fan of Donaire. He's the best young talent in boxing that i've seen in some time. Throws his hands very well, moves well, shows ring intelligence..... very excited about his future. Like you said too, he just needs to fight some more names out there.

    I was letdown by Mijares' lack of smarts against Darchinyan.
     
  3. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Hasegawa is awesome. He was beating Montiel up before his jaw got broken. He's a very quick, tall and rangy southpaw. He had a good run at 118 before that though. Very interested to see what he does at featherweight.

    I'd say he's japan's best boxer right now along with Nishioka(**** you Kameda family).
     
  4. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Of all these guys, I'm highest on Donaire...I'm still very impressed with that dispatch of Vin Darchinian, or however you spell his name.
     
  5. natonic

    natonic Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Thanks for the input so far, bump city bumpus on the thread, help me out guys.
     
  6. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I liked Too Sharp, Mijares and Calderon looked good but this has also to dow ith the lack of competition. History-wise they are average. It will interesting to see how Montiel“s and Donaire“s careers unfold. Hasegawa looked good in his last fight, wonder if he can turn it around again. He maybe too small for the better guys at fw though.
     
  7. kopejh

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    Mark Johnson was *not* average
     
  8. bodhi

    bodhi Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I was talking about Mijares and Calderon.
     
  9. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    I really like Hasegawa based on what I've seen of him; there seems to a bit of Gushiken in him stylewise, especially after he started to develop a bit more of a punch. I've got four youtube windows up at the minute cross-referencing him with Gushiken, Seki and Watanabe. He's at an interesting point post-Montiel, pushing 30 as he is and in a new division with a couple of 'big hitters' in it. He looks good enough against Burgos but I'm unsure as to whether he's lost a slight step or two.

    I disagree slightly with Swarmer in that he was beating Montiel up although he was winning fairly clearly. He was always going to give Montiel trouble in the h2h sense, but that ko was sick and Montiel really does have a big, big punch on him when he lets go despite not being all that on the technical side. He seems to have an almost disproportionately long reach in comparison to his height and a deceptive level of handspeed that catches opponents out when they think that they have him - and the optimum distance - worked out. He's quite straight-backed and outboxable, but I like and respect him as much as any active fighter today and as much as a few retired ones too. He's been at the top for a decade now and has built a pretty noteworthy career for himself with some impressive wins despite stumbling against Johnson and Gonzalez. It'd make my day to see him beat Donaire - a man who seems to have been pegged down by a few to potentially become a great.

    Speaking of Donaire, I'm not nearly as warm on him as some are although I expected him to turn up a few more trees post-Darchinyan. He's a well-rounded boxer-puncher type with good technical form by today's standards, but people seem to be jumping the gun a bit (as they did with Mijares). He'd better take Montiel very seriously if he wants to get by him unscathed. The Concepcion fight at times showed that there could exist potential holes to be exploited by the right fighter. Whether or not Montiel is the man to do it remains to be seen.

    I might chip in a bit more on a couple of the other little men later on....
     
  10. Tin_Ribs

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    Trawling back through Montiel's record I've just remembered the Pedro Alcazar incident. Very sad.
     
  11. Tin_Ribs

    Tin_Ribs Me Full Member

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    Everybody remember Tim Austin? Course you do. ;) Impressive specimen of a bantam he was and pretty dominant up until the point of coming across this chap.


    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAEYjJ8AFXw[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PsXxxGj9Wqw&feature=related[/ame]

    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLlNy4keoeE&feature=related[/ame]

    On a different note, I don't mind the look of Roman Gonzalez although I haven't yet seen enough of him to form a clear opinion.
     
  12. Swarmer

    Swarmer Patrick Full Member

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    Well, a beating might be a bit much but he was certainly dominant imo.
     
  13. McGrain

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    Great variety of shots is the thing that impresses me most. Can knock guys out with either hand but sets it up off the jab. But he's also really patient now, not in a rush, he knows what he's got but he's also happy to box his way to a win, I think. Like Roy Jones said, show me a man in full command of himself and i'll show you a dangerous man. I think that rings true for this guy. ATG? We'll see about that, but he's defo a good one.

    ****ing was sick of hearing about him before he was even "exposed". That was the first fighter I was ever happy to see get knocked out (aside from maybe Tyson), I was so sick of the way everyone talked about him before he had even done anything. Vic found him out. Awkward would always trouble him. He's a straight edge boxer without the will or variety to force that fight onto the opponent. Overated, then and now.

    I was well impressed with him against Hasegawa, and the board was alight with people predicting a KO win for the Japaneese, people forget that. He also has really fast hands. But I don't like the way he chugs forwards in straight lines to get those punches off. I think he's a stalker that wants to be a speedster, he's in love with his handspeed and it's ****ed up his style. I've seen him caught over and again in straight line retreats and offence because he won't stalk, he wants to rush. He's not methodical or fundamental enough. I think he's going to get KTFO and that's when I think he might get really interesting as a fighter, if they let him.


    Interesting fighter, but he never really did anything with that. I don't think he was a natural fighter. It was weird the way that at the exact time he started to slip he started to bull his way onto the pound for pound lists.


    I honestly think the best little guy out there is Roman Gonzalez. World class in my view. But he needs to make his move soon.
     
  14. lora

    lora Fighting Zapata Full Member

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    Montiel was a bit of a choker for a long time as well.Not a big fan of him, as you say he doesn't seem to quite know his own style or capabilities.

    Mark Johnson was an excellent talent, but he's a '90s fighter at his best really.

    I'd warm to Donaire more if asero would drop stone dead.
     
  15. McGrain

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    :lol: Funny cos it's true.