Opinion, Wladimir is terrible style wise for Ali.

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  1. JunlongXiFan

    JunlongXiFan 45-6 in Kirks Chmpionshp Boxing Predictions 2022 Full Member

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    Ali was always notably weak to left hooks (Dropped by Cooper with a left hook, dropped by Banks with a left hook, dropped by Frazier with a left hook), he was only ever dropped by left hooks (and one slip), Wladimir had a crazy fast/strong/sneaky left hook. Ali would be dancing around winning the first several rounds, but against prime Klitschko, he probably isn't knocking him out, and in the fifth or sixth, Wladimir could nail him with a huge left hook. Wladimir arguably has the best (and easily top 5) left hooks ever, he dashes so quickly with it that with Ali's weakness to left hooks, it seems fairly likely that Klitschko would be able to nail him with it. How do you guys view it?
     
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  3. Richard M Murrieta

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    Toying with someone like Henry Cooper on June 18 1963, was not a wise thing to do, and Muhammad Ali almost paid the price, legitimate knockdown.. But on May 21 1966, Ali was all business, he did not play around with Cooper this time, in his 4th title defense, Ali by TKO 6, Henry got 14 stitches. Against Sonny Banks on Feb 20 1962, Ali did get decked but got up to stop Banks. On March 8 1971, Ali got decked by Smoking Joe Frazier in round 15, very legitimate. Ali had been banned for 43 months, March 22 1967-Oct 26 1970, for Draft Evasion, when he fought Joe, he had only 18 rounds of boxing, Jerry Quarry, TKO 3, and Oscar Ringo Bonavena, TKO 15. But not taking anything away from Joe, he won fair and square, great victory. As champion in his first title reign, 1964-1967, Ali was never decked by any left hook. Wladimir Klitchko, a great fighter in his own right did have a great left hook, but he himself has been decked too in his career. Against a peak 1967 Muhammad Ali, how can he land a left hook on someone with unending stamina, who could dance and move for 15 rounds without laying on the ropes as he later did on his return in 1970. Ali did fight a taller opponent in 6 ft 6 inch Ernie Terrell on Feb 6 1967, he made Terrell look very inept and clumsy, too much speed and footwork. But with all due respect, it would make for an interesting fight. To keep in mind, when Ali fought Ken Norton, twice in 1973, Ali got his jaw broken and they fought once in 1976. Ali was far from peak 1967 form. Every generation has their favorites and they should.
     
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  5. mr. magoo

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    I wouldn’t pick either Klitschko brother to beat Muhammad Ali but I DO think they would be more problematic than many of his other opponents.
     
  6. greynotsoold

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    I think that he could be very problematic for Ali because of his left hand, but with his jab, not his hook. If he could watch and learn how Norton used his jab against Ali, his height and reach advantages would become very effective.
    If Wlad is out jabbing Ali, even if he is making Ali adjust to his jab- in his movements of hand and foot- he is in good position to win. Ali worked everything off his jab and I don't recall him ever having to deal with being stuck at the end of another man's jab.
     
  7. It's Ovah

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    Yeah, I don't see why not. His left hook was not only fast but very hard to read due to how well he disguised it as a jab.
     
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  8. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I see what you mean because Ali could struggle to land his long range punches and he couldn't use the lean back because he wouldn't be able to counter because Wlad is very good at getting back into position if he misses, he moves back with his feet and puts his arms out which works against shorter fighters because they can't then reach him because his long arms are in the way, but I do think ali could jab with Klitschko, because it was so fast and he used it well and he could move, make them fall short and jab them and even though Klitschko can get back into position, Ali may be able to hit him before Klitschko can get away because his hands are so fast and Klitschko struggled to pin down movers and Ali could throw his balance off and hit him when he does, it is a close fight though
     
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  11. DosserTerminator

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    I always say that heavyweights in the 60s and 70s would be cruiserweight today. Despite the sentimentality of yesterday's boxers I believe today's boxers would more likely beat the ones of old with few exceptions like Duran Leonard Haggler hernes ect. I draw the line at Heavyweights however I couldn't see Ali foreman liston frazier ect beating your Lewis's, Klitchkos, Furys Joshua's simply for size alone.
     
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    Yeah , because Ali was no better than Ray Austin , an out on his feet Chambers , or a Pulev on a spongy mattress.
     
  13. It's Ovah

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    And you're no better than a two-bit troll. Such is life.
     
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  14. Toney F*** U

    Toney F*** U Boxing junkie Full Member

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    Yea I’d also pick Wlad to beat Ali. Bigger, good stamina, hit much harder, atg left hook, good hand speed, and great boxing skill
     
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  15. Bigcheese

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    IMO guys like Foreman and Holmes having success in the 90s proves that the 70s heavyweights could hang in any era. Not to mention Tyson and Holyfield were at their best around 215