Opinion, Wladimir is terrible style wise for Ali.

Dunno about you, but I believe in styles over off nights. Peter was nothing more than the poor man's version of Foreman, with half the speed, skill, power and workrate.

I don't quite understand how you can factor in Wlad's mental weakness, scared attitude toward anybody who had a punch, weakness to a fast starter, and stylistic issue with a man who literally couldn't beat Eddie Chambers and still favour Wlad.

The style, the fast start and the intimation spells disaster for Wladimir IMO.

 

If we’re talking about styles, foreman usually didn’t perform well against high level boxers, Wlad is also a lot faster, can match him in power, much more skilled, and a lot bigger. I’d favor Wlad 7/10 times

 

Prime Foreman fought no-one who fought like Wlad. Wlad did fight someone like foreman, and was put on his arse three times. Dunno how you can try and spin that into Wlad being a bad match up for Foreman, because Foreman lost to Young and Ali.

Wlad isn't a lot bigger. 20lbs? 3" in height? Sounds like two fighters who already beat Wlad. Much more skilled is a wild overstatement. Wlad being more skilled at all is in question. I don't see what bearing Wlad's speed advantage has here, it's not like it was a massive advantage. Wlad was never Holmes-esque.

 

I'm assuming you use this phrase to mean a bankrupt, utterly destitute and beggarly variety, so far removed from the relative benchmark that Foreman's name need not have been mentioned?

 

Absolutely, I just didn't have the resolve at the time to type that out

But Peter's style was clearly emulating Foreman's without the subtleties or talent. He was just a tough slugger, like Brewster, who yo-yo'd a prime Wlad. Although Brewster resembled a Tua more than a Foreman.

 

I think it was just some flukey moments, it’s not like Wlad would consistently be dropped by Peter if they had fought more times, and he actually did beat peter convincingly twice. I don’t really think it’s debatable that Wlad’s more skilled

 

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2010/09/steward-was-telling-wladimir-to-stop-clinching-peter/

 

That would be a 15 round fight, possible in a 3 rd world country with terrible heat.......it would not be some climate controlled stadium in germany............and we all know that WK is no conditioning wonder especially when he gets pressed, he gassed against Purrity, gassed against Brewster, almost gassed against cave man Peter and gassed while old against the Bodybuilder.....and lets not get into the chin issue, finest china.

The speed of hand and foot would be a major problem for WK.....we are talking prime vs prime and that would be Ali pre Vietnam......I believe WK would be befuddled and never gets set, similar to Lennox Lewis, both would be bewildered by the speed and agility

I think it will be a replay of the Fury fight where WK was loaded and cocked all night but could not let his hands go and fell for every feint......and Ali is faster than Fury and far less sloppy.

As far as the trash talking, well, Fury got intos WK's head so it stands to reason Ali gets there too.

 

In Tyson's case your 215 pounds " best2 is bull****. For examle Tyson was 221 pounds against Tucker and in his prime Tucker was his
best opponent./victim.

 

Your opinion doesn't show a minimal boxing knowledge. Wladimir klitschko lost to fighters like the out of shape aging
Corrie Sanders or the mediocre Brewster and Ali was far better than these.
The prime Foreman was much more dangerous than the best version wladimir and the over the hill Ali knocked out George.
Now i don't know only one comparable Klitscko win.

 

And your wlad was 4 times down by a mediocre,out of shape,aging Sanders… Ali ? You're opinion is just a disgrace.

 

I said "around" 215 lbs. Regardless, my point is it's the size of a small heavyweight and Tyson had more than enough to compete with the giant heavyweights

 

It’s not as simple as saying that he had trouble against Frazier and Cooper and that Wlad had a great hook.

It’s how they’d have matched up stylistically.

Cooper and Frazier were smaller than Ali, and significantly smaller than Wlad.

Wlad is 6’6, so he couldn’t have whipped it in from the same angle as what Cooper and Frazier did, with the same speed etc.

He couldn’t have gotten inside like they did.

Wlad could have destroyed Frazier and Cooper, but he wouldn’t have had the same success with the left hook as what they did against Ali.

They would have been completely different fights altogether.

I think Ali’s size, speed and style would have nullified Wlad’s hook.

 

It’s never just the size that’s important. The most important thing is always how they’d have matched up stylistically.