Opinions on Canelo/GGG 1&2

The first fight is complicated to score. First 3 and last 3 rounds I gave to Canelo. Golovkin only had his moments after Canelo dominated for the first minute or so , and even then Golovkin only had success with a jab.

Canelo was the ring general by defusing Golovkins attack. The moments Canelo settled down was the opportune time for Golovkin to send in the artillery , but he never did. He never upped his game in either fight , fighting the same way he did against Jacobs and Lemiux. That was never going to be good enough

You have to go through the fire and take risks to beat the elite. . He certainly didn't do that for the rematch , but Canelo did. Canelo risked it and took chances to get the win in the rematch. .. Everything Canelo did in that rematch is what Golovkin should have done.

Fury and Canelo showed how to approach a rematch - with huge heart courage and bravery. . . You're either cut from that cloth or your not

 

Completely Irrelevant . . All those journos had picked Golovkin to win before the fight .. Just like same journos all predicted Manny to beat Horn.

Lets see how they scored that fight shall we??

 

BTW...who is that Scottish guy who does the Sky/DAZN bouts? From the fights Saturday night. I'm usually pretty good with accents but he is incomprehensible to me...basically a 21st Century Rab Nesbitt.

 

@Mendoza

Bob Velin (USA Today) – 115-112 Pacquiao

Nick Tylwalk (FanSided) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Steve Bunce (BoxNation) – 115-113 Horn

Mike Sloan (Sherdog) – 116-111 Pacquiao

Gary Randall (Sherdog) – 116-112 Horn

Mike Fridley (Sherdog) – 115-112 Horn

Gary Parrish (CBS Sports) – Pacquiao won

Brian Campbell (CBS Sports) – 114-114

Jason McIntyre (Fox Sports 1) – Pacquiao won

Dieter Kurtenbach (Fox Sports) – Pacquiao won

Skip Bayless (Fox Sports) – Horn won

Josh Katzowitz (Forbes) – 115-112 Pacquiao

Brian Mazique (Forbes) – 114-114

Fraser Coffeen (Bloody Elbow) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Anton Tabuena (Bloody Elbow) – Pacquiao won

Bad Left Hook – 116-111 and 115-113 Pacquiao

Mike Coppinger (Ring Magazine) – Pacquiao won

Michael Rosenthal (Ring Magazine) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Ryan Songalia (Ring Magazine and Rappler) – 117-110 Pacquiao

Doug Fischer (Ring Magazine) – 116-112 or 115-113 Pacquiao

Tom Gray‏ (Ring Magazine) – “Had Horn wide mate.”

Mike Baca II (Ring Magazine and Undisputed Champion Network) – “I’ve already rewatched. 115-113 Pac was the lowest I could go…”

Steve Kim (Undisputed Champion Network) – Pacquiao won

Lance Pugmire (LA Times) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Boxing News – 115-113 Pacquiao (Verdict: Close fight, no robbery)

Michael Wilbon (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

Dan Rafael (ESPN) – 117-111 Pacquiao

Marcellus Wiley (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

Ramona Shelburne (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

Nigel Collins (ESPN) – 114-113 Pacquiao (“Disagree w/ the “robbery” talk.”)

Stephen A. Smith (ESPN) – Pacquiao robbed!!!!

Teddy Atlas (ESPN) – 116-111 Pacquiao

Arash markazi (ESPN) – Pacquiao won

T.J. Quinn (ESPN) – Pacquiao won (“This is a hometown hit job. Manny looked old, but mostly in control.”)

Salvador Rodriguez‏ (ESPN) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Greg Bishop (Sports Illustrated) – 117-111 Pacquiao

Al Bernstein (Showtime Sports) – “I could see a draw or close for Pac”

hris Mannix (Yahoo! Sports) – Pacquiao won

Kevin Iole (Yahoo! Sports) – 115-113 for Pacquiao

Gareth A. Davies (The Telegraph) – 115-113 Pacquiao

Jay Cowan (Spike Sports) – 115-112 Pacquiao

Marcos Villegas (Fight Hub TV) – “I had him (Pacquiao) up by one point.”

Jonathan Snowden (Bleacher Report) – “I had Manny Pacquiao in a close fight.”

******* – 116-112 Pacquiao

Ryan Phillips (The Big Lead) – 116-111 Pacquiao

Lennox Lewis – Pacquiao won

Lou DiBella (promoter) – 116-112 Pacquiao

DJ Gallo (The Guardian) – 117-111 pacquiao

Ben Thompson (Fight Hype) – 115-112 Pacquiao

Jeff Powell (The Daily Mail) – Pacquiao robbed

Bob Sheridan (commentator) – 114-114

Paulie Malignaggi – “I had horn by a point…”

Eric Raskin (Former writer for ESPN and Grantland) – 114-114

Graham Houston (Boxing Monthly) – 114-114 (“Cd. have gone either way.”)

Martin Chesnutt (Boxing Monthly) – 115-112 Pacquiao (“…but was comfortable with 115-113 either way.”)

Andrew Harrison (Boxing Monthly) – 116-113 Horn

Adam Abramowitz‏ (Saturday Night Boxing and Transnational Boxing Rankings board member) – 116-111 Pacquiao

Rafael G (The Fight City) – “Pacquiao won by 2 or 3 points.”

Lee Wylie (The Fight City) – Pacquiao won (“…certainly not a robbery. Close fight.”)

Patrick Connor‏ (BWAA/IBRO member) – Pacquiao won

Michael Montero (Montero On Boxing) – 116-112 Pacquiao

Behind the Gloves – 117-110 Pacquiao

Erik Morales – Pacquiao robbed

Juan Manuel Marquez – 116-112 Pacquiao

Timothy Bradley – Pacquiao won (very close fight)

Guillermo Rigondeaux – Pacquiao won

 

are you talking about 1st or 2nd fight?

 

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We all know Horn gave Pacquaio a pasting and was the deserved winner , yet they all scored the fight for Pacman (the same who all scored for GGG) , which proves they DKSAB

 

The first fight is very complicated to score. I scored it a draw

 

First fight I gave Canelo rounds 1, 2, 3, 4, 9, and 12 with round 11 being a swing round, so I scored it 114-114 or Canelo 115-113. Second fight I remember scoring it 115-113 either way. Canelo is clearly the better and greater fighter.

 

GGG won both fights & got screwed Any knowledgeable boxing fan knows that

 

1st fight GGG won 7-4-1 or 7-5. This was a fight where the rounds GGG won were clearer than Canelo's.
2nd fight I had GGG winning 7-5 or a draw 6-6, but the rounds Canelo won were clearer.

 

Canelo fights too often have that one outrageous scorecard in his favor.

Beating Trout 118-109
Drawing with Mayweather 114-114
Beating Lara 117-111
Beating Cotto 119-109
Beating GGG 118-110

 

He always seems to have at least one judge "in the bag" so he only needs one more for a win.
Its easier to bribe one than three. Even better if one judge scores for the other guy; makes it reasonable.

 

I used to wonder why not score the fight close if you're Byrd, no one would care about a 115-113 card but instead this fight (that at least some impartial observers think was a legimate Canelo win) is tarnished.

A little embarrassed it took me so long to realize you need to build a huge lead in case there are late KDs.

 

You said the majority before scored it 114-114. The majority had GGG winning. I have posted 60+ cards here before, I'll look for it. If I find that one the draw are way less frequent.

By the way may we see your card?