Opinions on these retired olympic Gold medalists

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  1. robert ungurean

    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Looking for opinions insights ect on these retired Olympic Gold medalists.
    Oleg Saitov Gold 1996 2000
    Aleksei Tishchenko Gold 04 08
    Alexander Lebsiak
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Saitov: Three olympic medals, two golds, one val barker, he was a beautiful boxer puncher, beat one of my favorite Cuban boxers in Juan Hernandez Sierra in the final of the 1996 Olympics, his val barker trophy was imo undeserved, but he used to pull the win most of the time and was very difficult to outbox, probably top 10 in amateur boxing history.
    Aleksei Tischenko: Two olympic golds, really underrated, he was Lomachenko before Lomachenko and after the retirement of Mario Kindelan, he was the man, aggressive but a great technician with fast hands and feet and really accurate work, he won two Olympic golds in the same divisions as Lomachenko and is often overlooked when people talk about great amateurs.
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Thanki bcr really appreciate it.
    Forgot to mention Alexander lebsiak. Cant find anything on google about him.
     
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    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    You are right, i forgot him.
    Lebziak was quality, he was a huge puncher during the computerized era of amateur boxing (between 1992 and 2012), probably in my top 10 amateur punchers during that era, he was unlucky and faced the great Ariel Hernandez in the 1996 olympics, but he came back and won the gold.
    He was strong and well schooled, knew how to put smart pressure to force a stoppage and is currently training the Russian Olympic team.
     
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    bcr, who would you consider some of the greatest amateur punchers of all time? Anyone obscure?
     
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    Valeri Popenchenko
    Vyacheslav Lemeshev
    Islam Timurziev
     
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    Vysotskyy Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Lebziak Very good at MW but usually fell short of Gold then was virtually unbeatable once he moved up to LHW.

    [url]http://boxrec.com/media/index.php?title=Human:66315[/url]

    Lebziak vs Erdei at MW

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    QF at 2000 Olympics where he won Gold
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Great stuff
    Any more would be great.
    P4P Saitov or Tischenko?
    Let me clarify. Whos the strait up better fighter
     
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    Andres Aldama ko 5 straight opponents on his way to winning a silver medal
    at Montreal before losing to Leonard in finals.. One opponent was out cold
    for 10 mins. He won gold medal at Moscow winning a decision against a young
    Mugabi.
    [url]https://www.boxingforum24.com/threads/andres-aldama-the-cuban-assassin.436064/[/url]
     
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    Tischenko, Saitov really took advantage of the point system (its not like Tischenko didn't), Aleksei was more balanced boxer, if I'm right he was a ballet dancer and used to move beautifully and had great hands.
    Without the scores in the screen i believe that Tischenko will always look like the better boxer.
     
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    bcr Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I saw good picks in Andres Aldama and Vyacheslav Lemeshev.
    -Aldama was a natural puncher, he was taking everyone out in Montreal before Leonard, the guy in the semifinals was taking out of the ring in a stretcher and people seems to forget that he actually won the gold 4 years later in moscow winning the final against John Mugabi.
    -Vyacheslav Lemeshev prime was short, but he scored one punch ko's in the olympics and was a terror before alcoholism hurt him, even past his prime he managed to beat future Olympic and World Champion, Michael Spinks.
    -Jose Gomez was a huge puncher from Cuba, olympic champion.
    -I recently rote a piece on the death of Angel Espinosa, he was a feared monster, check the thread if you want.
    -Teofilo Stevenson, triple olympic champion, has probably more recorded one punch knockouts than anyone in boxing history, his right hand was just brutal.
    -Felix Savon is another triple olympic champion that had huge power, he knocked out David Tua, nothing more to say.
    -And Lazslo Papp the other triple olympic champion (with a record of 13-0 6kos in the olympics) was also a very good puncher himself.
    -In the era of computerized amateur boxing, besides Felix Savon, i can't think of a harder puncher than Artur Beterbiev, he dropped more people than anyone i have seen during those years, his run at the pro game just confirms his power.
    -Lennox Lewis won all but one of his fights (it was a walk over) during the Olympics by knockout, including an stoppage over Riddick Bowe who also won all his Olympic fights but one by knockout.
    -In the same 1988 games, Robert Wangila crowned himself as the welterweight champion (the toughest class in those games) with 3 stoppages in 5 fights (the other two were a decision and a walk over) including a one punch ko in the final over the future super welterweight world champion, Laurent Boudouani.
    -The Spinks bros, Leon and Michael, both won their Olympic finals by Knockout.
    -Kostya Tszyu was a huge amateur puncher himself , before he was eliminated in the 1988 olympics he did already scored two stoppages including a one punch ko over his filipino opponent.
    -Ray Mercer was a big puncher as a pro, but he also was a big as an amateur, he won all his Olympic fights by knockout including a first round knockout in the final against the Korean that stopped Andrew Golota in the semis.
    -The 1988 USA Olympic Team made a bet on who would score the fastest knockout, Kelcie Banks, the panamerican and world amateur champion would have won if it wasn't for the fact the he was the one knocked out in one round with one punch by the unknown Regilio Tuur, Tuur ended reaching the quarters and was more talented than people thought, he won the WBO title as a pro and was a huge puncher.
    -Wayne Alexander wasn't a top boxer, but he was a natural puncher as a pro and as an amateur.
    -Mike Tyson was a huge puncher in the amateurs, he often scored first round ko's and even dropped Henry Tillman in the fight that left him out of the Olympic Games.
    -Evander Holyfield wasn't a huge puncher as a pro, but he was as an amateur, he stopped all his Olympic opponents before getting robbed in the semi finals.
    -Ask any follower of amateur boxing who is the hardest puncher in amateur boxing history and you will heard the names of Savon and Stevenson, ask that in Cuba and you will heard the name of Felix Betancourt. Everyone in Cuba claims that his power was legendary, that he hit harder than Stevenson, sadly that was most of his talent, he went to the Olympics but didn't medal and retired and died in poverty, there isn't footage of him, but he was proud to say that he scored more knockouts than Foreman or Frazier.
    -By the way, both George Foreman and Joe Frazier won 4 of their 5 fights by stoppage in their respective Olympic games.
    -Barry McGuigan is a known name in boxing, he shared the ring with the likes of Eusebio Pedroza, Bernard Taylor and Juan LaPorte, so him saying that one of the hardest punchers he ever faced was during the amateurs sounds weird, but it was that way, McGuigan couldn't believe that Tumat Sogolik, who faced him in the commonwealth games finals, was a bantamweight , he hurt Barry and dropped him and he did stop all his opponents before Barry, sadly he never archived much and is a forgotten name.
    -Someone mentioned Islam Timurziev, who beat Roberto Cammarelle, Pulev, Odlanier Solis, Robert Helenius and Michael Hunter, he was a huge puncher but i would mention another European Champion that won the title that same year (2006) in the heavyweight division (Timurziev won it at super heavy), Denys Poyatsyka won 4 of his 5 bouts by stoppage, he was the surprise of the games a talented and powerful Fighter, the Ukranian hope for an Olympic gold at heavyweight, the next year he lost during the world championships and was replaced by a name you might know, Oleksandr Usyk.
    -Mark Breland olympic run wasn't as impressive as expected considering that he was the most intimidating amateur in his time, he dropped the olympic silver medalist Serik Konaekbaev when they met and he usually scored a few stoppages in every amateur tournament, he scored two stoppages in the olympics and put an impressive golden gloves record with five titles and a record of 22-0 with 21 ko's, 15 IN THE FIRST ROUND.
    -James Toney amateur resume isn't impressive but the fact the he built a record of 33-2 with 32 knockouts shows that he could crack even as an amateur.
    -Alfonso Zamora is the only Mexican boxer that won an Olympic medal and a world championship in the pros, he was a powerful puncher that scored two knockouts in the Olympics and had a record of 45-1 43 ko's in the amateurs with the loss bieng in the Olympic final against the Cuban Armando Martinez, his only three fights that reached the decision were during the Olympics.
    -Recently the amateur boxing scene has shown some good punchers including Joshua Buatsi, Joe Joyce, Magomed Majidov, Erislandy Savon and Arlen Lopez, with Lopez being the hardest puncher P4P building an impressive 15-4 (8 ko's) record during the World Series of Boxing, including a 6 straight stoppage victories in a row.
     
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    I wish I could like this post twice. Treasure trove of good information. Thanks!
     
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    Thanks.
    I wish i had my computer so i could see my archives and i could make some informative threads.
     
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    robert ungurean Богдан Philadelphia Full Member

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    Amazing Knowledge bcr!!
    Would like to c your list of top 15 Russian Soviet amateurs of all time.
    Criteria being talent not medals.