Opinions: Super Cruiserweight Division

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  1. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is a weight class 200lbs-210lbs a good idea?

    It's not a bad idea IMO. Seems boxers like Bellew, Haye, Breidis, Usyk, Bejenaru would not have the disadvantages in the super cruiserweight class. It's kind of weird that only one or two sanctioning bodies have a super cruiserweight / junior heavyweight class. Usually sanctioning bodies are so money hungry for sanctioning fees they come up with all kinds of gimmicks and new weight classes.

    It's not impossible for a smaller heavyweight to beat a larger heavyweight, especially considering the current talent disparity between cruiserweights and the "super heavyweights".
     
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  3. BCS8

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    No. The weightclasses are just about right now. I guess they could extend Cruiser 5lb north if they really wanted to. HW is interesting with smaller skilled guys taking on big galoots in the main.
     
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  4. Faceplant

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    I've always said: Have a heavyweight division, 190 - 215, and then a superheavyweight division, 215 and above. Oh yeah, and merge of some of the smaller weight divisions below featherweight.
     
  5. The Professor

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    Dear god no! There are enough of these bogus "super" and "junior" divisions out there as it is! Give me the old school eight anyday.
     
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  6. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    How can I simplify my answer here.... ummm. **** no. That'll do it.:D
     
  7. qwertyblahblah

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    Moving the cruiser limit from 190 to 200 gave cruiserweights more heft, expanded the division to give it legitimacy it didn't have previously, and should've shut up any talk about a heavyweight limit and a super heavyweight division.

    Here's a solution for smaller heavyweights: get in ripped condition, then dehydrate to make cruiser. If 220 something, even flabby 230 lb heavyweights got in shape and fought at cruiser they wouldn't be put at a competitive disadvantage at heavyweight. Current cruisers only shed a few lbs to make weight, while by my estimation most lower weight boxers cut down a good 7% of their in shape body weight to make weight. Which would mean a fit 215 should be able to make 200. So if smaller heavyweights were in optimum condition they would simply be cruiserweights. But guess what? Those smaller heavyweights are at heavyweight because they want to be there! They want to fight bigger guys in the glamour division of boxing, rather than toil at cruiser, where there's greater risk but less reward. So there's no actual interest from smaller heavyweights for a smaller heavyweight division.

    I think the best weight structure by the way isn't the original eight, which is a bit too big a gulf between several divisions, but the original amateur twelve, before around 2004. Which was close to the original eight, plus cruiser, light middle, light welter, and light fly.
     
  8. Jackomano

    Jackomano Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Modern boxers are pampered enough as it is. The Cruiserweight division already steals all of the talented smaller heavyweights from the division, so a super cruiserweight division would be ridiculous. Also, the cruiserweight division is never going to be a money division, which why it's best fighters always need to advance to heavyweight to get paid.

    Once guys get around 185+ weight doesn't matter as much, since 240+ heavyweights rarely have good stamina or mobility. Archie Moore even as the 175 champ would regularly beat the top contenders at heavyweight and some of them were over 6'4" and over 230lbs. If a heavyweight fighter is skilled enough they can win regardless of any height or weight disparities and been proven many times.

    Usyk at 210 would dance circles around almost all the current top heavyweights except Wilder, Parker, and Joshua if he doesn't show up too heavy.
     
  9. james5000

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    They should reduce cruiserweight back to 190 and then all of the best cruiserweights would have to fight @ heavyweight
     
  10. Badbot

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    I do think there are plenty of guys who cant quite make CW but are too small to compete with the big boys.
    Unless you want to bump up every weight class like in MMA, they should just bump CW to 210.

    I think CW limit at 210 would be a good move.
     
  11. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    To me the weight classifications in MMA make more sense. Maybe the weight classes in boxing need to change with the times.
     
  12. qwertyblahblah

    qwertyblahblah Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's a fairer suggestion to the top divisions than anything else we've heard, but aren't you then making the step from light heavy to cruiser too much? A 192 lber who couldn't quite make 175 would be getting in the ring with men as big as 220 lbs. To have a size mismatch like that at heavyweight is one thing, but to have a 30 lb weight difference at cruiserweight would be outrageous.
     
  13. Badbot

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    True, some would have issues. Most at CW seem quite bulky, while most at LHW seem rather lean.
    The top LHW are a bit shorter than the top CW.

    But still, a jump from 185(what most LHW weigh on fighting) to 220(+-5lb) seems a bit more rational than 200 to 240+.
    Povetkin and Wilder are the only top Heavyweight who weigh in under 230 :lol: Everyone else is like 240+...
    There are always going to be those who will have a disadvantage. Canelo comes to mind.
     
  14. mirkofilipovic

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    This will water down the upper divisions more as it is, horrible idea, shame on you for proposing it.
     
  15. Butch Coolidge

    Butch Coolidge Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    RJJ was 193lbs when he lifted John Ruiz's belt but does that really count as being the champion?