What's peoples perceptions of Julio Cesar Chavez? Best Mexican fighter of all time? How do you feel about him fighting so many no hopers? How about his controversial victories? I view Julio Cesar Chavez as one of the most efficient and impressive offensive machines ever. His ability to shoot to head and body was absolutely seamless, and I feel many people underratedJulio Cesar Chavez on ESB. Just to say, I used to think Chavez was overrated...and made his name off beating taxi drivers. Watching him take apart Haugen, Camacho, and Rosario...made me reevaluate my stance on him though. Opinions?
One of the best offensive fighters Ive seen..One of the best mexican fighters ever, probably my number one but he would at that top tier with guys like Olivares, Salvidar and Sanchez. Him fighting some bums is irrelevant, as so many greats have done similar..You cant expect to fight 100+ top shelf opponents in an era, it just doesnt happen. Whats most important is the wins over his best opponents and he was clearly impressive in this regard...at the same time though people shouldnt be to deceived by pretty numbers his record shows. His resume is certainly no better if at all then someone like Whitaker who had less then half the fights he did. Like Pac he has a lot of parochial supporters who are to blinded by their man love to critique the man's record and abilities. Thats why you will sometimes see a little bit of a backlash from people who see it a bit differently. Its not underrating or underappreciating him at all IMO, its just getting a little perspective on him so as not to belittle or forget blokes who were just as good but dont get the attention. He is the quintessential Mexican warrior/boxer-puncher..He is the man 90% of Mexican fighters since have based their styles on, who they idolize, who they revere. It will be a long time until we see another Chavez, not just from Mexico but from anywhere.
Everybody is underrated by their haters and overrated by their fans. Chavez was a fantastic fighter who gave birth to at least two generations of top level Mexican fighters. Though him being rated as the #18 greatest fighter from Ring magazine is a bit ridiculous.
Good post. You look on the General Forum, and it's abundantly clear that a lot of posters haven't seen Julio Cesar Chavez fight. They dismiss him as a one-dimensional, flat footed plodder, who just throws winging shots. Simply not true. I'm as impressed watching Julio Cesar Chavez work in his prime as I am watching any other fighter, including the likes of Leonard, Whitaker, Jones, and Robinson. Too me, he was the very best combination puncher of all time. There were faster combination punchers, and harder hitters, but his placement was out of this world, and his fluidity and variety was second to none. The very best at that in my opinion, yet to see someone put punches together in clusters more impressively than Julio.
I agree that Julio shouldn't be a top 20 level fighter, but he's certainly among the top 40 in my judgment. Granted, I don't have an official list but he'd be around that mark if I did I think.
Maybe Gomez Addie...I think he is just about the best offensive fighter Ive seen. Bit quicker, more fluid overall.
This is a pretty good one. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDMgHtoJqZ4&feature=related[/ame] Let me see of I can find some specific sequences from his others fights on the tube.
Underrated defensively. You're right, it's largely due to underexposure. I dare anyone to watch the Rosario performance, for instance, and not come away awed at the complete package (not just the offensive components).
Very impressed... He would hit guys with what looked like soft shots, and they'd go down as if they were shot. With combination punching like that coupled with that sort of power and technique, it's hard to comprehend how the guy was ever defeated.
I only rate fighters from my era of watching boxing, 1980 to present.....I dont have a list because there are just to many great fighters during that span, but I will say without hesitation that JC Chavez is the most complete fighter I've ever been privaleged to witness. Offensively, defensively, chin, stamina, and boxing IQ were just superb. In my 30 years of watching boxing, Julio Cesar Chavez imo is simply the best!
I think Chavez is even underrated by the posts on this thread and you guys like chavez. Id put Chavez more or less around 10. He didnt have an amatuer background,so i see nothing wrong with him fighting no names coming up. Besides some of those so called "taxi drivers" werent all that bad. I find it funny how many fans dismiss these guys as bums,mexico is pretty deep in talent around the weightclass that Chavez started at. There are some American prospects that would not have that glossy record had they fought in Mexico. He has the record in career title defenses 27 so any talk about the level of opposition he faced is not valid. To put him 30 or 40 is absurd!!! I can only think of maybe 10 fighters that should be ahead of him.