With the amount of fighters that have either moved to Matchroom or have doubts on their future - in terms of TV platforms ie. Channel Five etc, is this not the perfect time for Sky to launch their version of the Super Six or Four? Take the four or six of the fringe world class super middles and make a tournament where they all face off and get one of the world title belts to back it. Even if it is four UK based super middleweights it would make a lot of sense in providing the fans with great fights and not having fighters being put on different career paths (like the middleweights, Barker, Macklin etc) and they can have a chance to win a world title, build rivalry and make more money. The whole point of Sky moving into a monopoly position is to exercise some control over competitive match making. They should be orchestrating the environment for these big fights to happen, rather than sitting back and giving Eddie all the dates and for him bat off questions about matching his stable in big competitive fights with jargon such as 'doing what is best for his client' or 'priority is a world title not fighting xx fighter' or 'fights cant be made if other TV or promoter does agree for it to be shown on Sky'. Now, is the time for Sky to be proactive. They will boost the coffers from PPV revenue from Froch-Kessler and if Froch wins (which I expect him to) it will be another PPV fight for Froch, so they have more money to reinvest in a major boxing tournament that will be able to guarantee top fights such as Groves-Degale and other will happen. Otherwise we will have routine speculation and hype on Ringside with the same vicious circle of bull**** as to why or whose fault it is the fights are not happening. Degale Groves, Oosthuizen, Stevensen Eubank Jr (a bit early for him, but he has been calling out Degale, in a couple of more fights he might be ready for this) Edwin Rodriguez What other super middleweights would work in this format?
Groves and Degale could fight twice in such a tournament and Sky will boost their budget with PPVs from Froch, they have to reinvest this in better quality output such as big boxing tourney, rather than anymore **** bills such as the recent one at Wembley.
I await Rob's full breakdown on this proposal, complete with fight schedule, line up of fighters, projected viewing numbers etc....
I think the problem with this format is that Hearn isn't going to want some of his fighters going against each other and accumulating losses on their record for average pay days when he could be guiding them towards a title or a mandatory position. The names mentioned aren't big enough names to make it anywhere near as interesting as the original Super 6 and someone like Groves on the brink of a title shot anyway isn't going to enter it, especially not after already getting the nod against Degale. The MW version would be the best, Lee, Macklin, Barker, Murray, Eubank Jr, BJS all having their own Super 6 would be immense! That tournament over 12-18 months would be enough for me to keep my Sky subscription alone. Anything that gets or in some ways forces fighters to face each other is a good thing in my book, no way would we have seen all those fights we did without the Super 6 tournament.
If a middleweight one could be made I would love that as well. But, something needs to be done or we will not get these fights. We are missing out on so many great domestic fights and if Sky/Matchroom exercise their dominant power to force competitive fights then a tournament seems an obvious way to do it. They could really pack out big venues and if they made it work they could sit back and make a solid argument that the one-promoter policy paid dividends. Eddie could turn around to Sky at the end of his two year deal and be confident it would be renewed as he has delivered top quality fights that we the subscribers want. The danger now is that all the best fighters get signed up and are kept apart with each one getting put on a separate road to a different belt.
I personally didn't care for the Super Six format, it was just too unconventional. 2 points for decision win, 3 points for KO and 1 point for a draw, this isn't bloody football! The manner of win in a fight can mean so much. A one sided master class where a fighter completely out-classes another and wins a UD in my opinion is a better type of win than a quick 1 or 2 round KO. It proves without doubt one guy is the better fighter and he didn't just win cause he landed a lucky punch. Having a sort of league system where points are given out to fighters on how they perform like Showtime tried to do originally was too complicated and too silly. That's how I feel. I'm all for fighters agreeing to take part in fights we want to see and being locked in but to try and make it feel like they're in some sort of league with a cup at the end just isn't what boxing's about. I personally hope the Super Six isn't tried again, it just didn't work IMO. If they do bring it back then hopefully they tinker with it.
I agree with the sentiment of what you're saying entirely, I just don't think it's likely to happen and only really the Degale/Groves rematch would be a BIG fight in that tournament. If Groves or Degale win a world title any time soon you can bet your life a rematch between WILL happen because of the money it'll generate. @PaulieMc The Super6 had its fair share of problems with injuries and pull outs but we did get to see a lot of good world level fights in the 2 years it ran for, that can't be denied. The points system was a bit unconventional but it's arguably simpler for the casual fan to understand it like that. It also set up the big showdown between Froch and Bute, as Froch was ranked third in most peoples lists behind Ward and Bute and that win put Froch back on the map. If they had done a similar thing at welterweight a few years back we could've had any of De La Hoya, Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, PBF, Gatti, Hatton, Collazo and more all potentially starring depending on which part of the era it came around. It's not ideal and needs tuning but anything that gets the best fighters to willingly face each other is good news.
Lol I don't think this could be done on a glabal scale that you are putting out there but I think it could happen at British title level. The Super6 format didn't work so I think just straight up 4 or 8 man vacant title tournaments would work. Also I would imagine showtime have some kind off patent on the super6 format for boxing. Take Light Heavyweight where Bellew will likley vacate the title shortly. Nobody is going to be interested in Ajisafe vs McEnzie II. It would sell 500 tickets up north and BoxNation might pick it up. But if you had; Bob Ajisafe Ovil McEnzie Kenny Anderson Country Fry Dean Francis Travis Dickinson Danny McIntosh Stevie McGuire Take them and draw them out of a hat into Quarter Finals and have them fight in 10 rounders as opening fights to a Sky card, then 3 months later you do the semi final and 3 months after that you do the final, I think you have something that would interest fans and Sky could market. Maybe you wanna try a division where theres younger, more marketable fighters. Say if Billy Joe vacates at Middleweight you could have; John Ryder 14-0 Ryan Aston 7-1 Adam Etches 11-0 Joe Selkirk 10-0 Chris Eubank Jnr 9-0 Nick Blackwell 13-2 Eamon O'Kane 9-1 Price Aaron 23-4 All young exciting fighters with winning records, allot to prove. Some guys are big names, some guys sell tickets.
That is something I'd like and think would work. **** all this league and points system, just make a straight out tournament, winner moves on and loser goes out. I agree I think a world title version with fighters from all over the world wouldn't work but it would work with domestic titles and stuff. That way if there were injuries or pull outs the fights could be pushed back without much problem. Sky or BoxNation should try it.
Both of those scenarios that you suggest definitely have some merit, they would be interesting cards for the punter. I suggested the super middleweight line up with an eye on trying to force a series of competitive match ups with those fringe world title contenders. The exact format of the last super six had its problems, but with some adjustments ie. knock out tourney rather than points system, it would be a nice series of fights that could be completed over 18 months or so. The main thing, that I dont want to see with every genuine prospect/fringe contender is that they avoid their best domestic rivals and get put on a different title route.
Goldenboy seem to have developed a mini-tourney at 140 Ibs. Garcia v Judah winner fights: Peterson v Matthyse Then the winner of the above will fight Khan (assuming he beats Diaz) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxvfdJbvVyk&feature=player_embedded Should be a few good fights there, I like the potential match up between Garcia v Mattyse and then Khan to take on the winner. All of these should be on boxnation too.:bbb
Theres nothing official about the tournemet mate. The winners are not contracted to fight one another. Mathysse v Peterson is on Sky.
Khan was talking about in that video link in my last post. Is Peterson v Mattysse not a Goldenboy fight? If so, how can this be on Sky if Boxnation are saying they have signed an exclusive deal with Goldenboy? What am I missing here?:think Whoever shows these fights, it is a good move as they are interesting fights.