Opposite Career Trajectories - Loser Up, Winner Down

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  1. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    So, current WBA interim titlist (not to be confused with the "regular" title held by Guillermo Jones) Yoan Pablo Hernandez fought Wayne Braithwaite back in 2008. Then undefeated, Hernandez really ought to have won. Braithwaite had lost 3 of his previous four - all to world class boxers, but all pretty decisively and they constituted all his real steps up. Shockingly, Braithwaite won by TKO in the 3rd round. Since then Braithwaite's career has gone in the toilet, having suffered yet another humiliating one-sided mugging and long stretches of inactivity; while Hernandez has dusted himself off and quietly worked his way toward the top of the CW division, keeping very busy.

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    Despite being green, Hernandez was actually a pretty effective ring general for much of the way until he got careless letting his hands go and left the door ajar for that right hand that first decked him. From there he was ****ed.

    Obviously Hernandez would slaughter Braithwaite in a rematch today. For as long as it lasted, it would be like the first two rounds...but with Hernandez even sharper and more in control.

    Post some more examples of these strange intersection matches, where the winner more or less just crashed & burned subsequently, while the the loser went on to do very well.

    It can be situations where the win is a fluke; or where the loser goes on to improve a great deal; or where it had just been the winner's last gasp. (all three, in the case of Braithwaite-Hernandez).


    Margarito-Martinez wouldn't count, since the rise of the loser and fall of the winner were both very gradual. We're looking more for instances where the winner pretty much immediately starts to suck and the loser pretty much immediately climbs back up the ladder.
     
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  2. Zacker

    Zacker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Interesting topic. Amir Khan - Breidis Prescott should fit the bill but I don't want to talk about those two, that's been done enough. I'll see if I can find another example.

    How far do you think Hernandez can make it? Will he have a chance in the cruiser tournament?
     
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  3. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    Excellent pick...and yeah, it's been over-discussed. A rematch between those two now would be about as pointless as one between Hernandez and Braithwaite. Easy vengeance in both cases.

    I'd favor Hernandez to beat a lot of the other top guys, but not all. I don't see him winning the whole thing...unless he gets a break in the seeding, and somebody does him a favor and knocks off Cunningham. Then it gets interesting.
     
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  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    The cruiserweight tourney should be awesome. I'd take Hernandez over all the Ring top 10 except for Cunningham, Huck, and Krzystof. Those four plus G. Jones and Lebedev... Woo, just thinking about it gets me hard. I'd rather get two more guys and make it an 8 man single elimination, but I won't complain.
     
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  5. Tonifranz

    Tonifranz Active Member Full Member

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    Golota Bowe

    Golota became a heavyweight star, figthing Lewis, Tyson, etc. Bowe became a nonentity in boxing after the two fights.
     
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  6. EJDiaZ

    EJDiaZ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yeah examples Khan and Martinez
     
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  7. saul_ir34

    saul_ir34 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Donaire-Darchynian for a few years after their fight. Actually even now Darchynian has faced and beat better opposition compared to Donaire. The gap is finally starting to close but Darchynian still has taken more risks. Thats why i think its laughable people even bring up Donaire in their top 3 p4p.
     
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  8. jpab19

    jpab19 Exploding Muffin Dad Full Member

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    Cristian Mijares-Nehomar Cermeno, to an extent. Cermeno's career hasn't exactly flummoxed completely but it hasn't been smooth sailing.

    Mijares gets battered by Darchinyan and moves up to bantam, losing two close fights to the Venezuelan, who subsequently loses two close fights of his own to Anselmo Moreno. Nothing to be ashamed of there, but a loss at 122 to Victor Terrazas leaves him with very few options.

    Diamante, meanwhile, has undergone a career rejuvination. The Cermeno defeats seemed to spell the end, but he's rebounded well, moving back to super-flyweight and picking up a trinket with an impressive performance in a favourable stylistic match-up against Topo Rojas, re-cementing his status among the best in the division.

    There's probably quite a few better examples, but being a big Mijares fan, this one springs to mind.
     
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  9. Consu

    Consu Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Amin Asikainen - Sebastian Sylvester one to mention..

    Asikainen KO'd Sylvester but Asikainen never made it to the top level and Sylvester is a current middleweight champ as we know.. And what makes this more interesting is that they had a remach and Asikainen gave a beating to Sylvester for the first six rounds and then got neck punched and fight totally turned around and Asikainen got stopped. And After that Sylvester has made his way to the top and Asikainen.. Was never same again.


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  10. BatTheMan

    BatTheMan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The way the referee handled the KD's in the Hernandez-Braithwaite bout is one of my favourite all-time hometown jobs. Yuck.




    Other fighters

    Kessler-Froch: Froch went on to beat AA and is by some hailed as the no.1 at 168 while Kessler remains sidelined severely injured.

    Taylor-Hopkins: After taking the MW title Taylor went on to have a dissapointing reign before losing to Pavlik and then being KTFO in every major fight after that. Old man Hopkins resurrected his career with several career performances after the Taylor losses.
     
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  11. elTerrible

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    Ruiz - Tua

    Tua never won a belt and its not like he didnt have fans or wasnt the far more exciting fighter.


    Ruiz was the cockroach of the heavyweight division for a decade. Guy kept getting gift decisions, looses the belt twice to former middleweights only to get it right back. Golota dropped Ruiz what twice? and still 'lost':patsch
     
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  12. PBFred

    PBFred Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm thinking Pirog-Jacobs will end up as a definitive answer to this thread, like Khan and Hernandez are.

    Jacobs has stayed busy and won two fights in a row (against cans) but it looks like he will start fighting meaningful fights moving forward and maybe even another title shot later this year. Also has the best trainer in the world working with him.

    Pirog hasn't fought since Jacobs and has a meaningless fight coming up after losing his buzz. He is now a high risk/low reward fight for all of the top MW's out there right now. He almost has to start from scratch again and take low paying fights in the US to get that buzz back. I don't see him in a big fight this year and he's not getting any younger.

    Time will tell.
     
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  13. elTerrible

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    King also kept Ruiz 200 ft away from Lewis and the Klits at all times.


    Golota and Tua fought Lewis, Byrd fought the Klits, Rahman fought Wlad and Lewis, but King wouldnt let Ruiz near either of them. WTF he liked him so much for I dont know
     
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  14. cesare-borgia

    cesare-borgia Übermensch in fieri Full Member

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    linares vs salgado and wlad vs purity
     
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  15. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    I don't know that Salgado's career went too far downhill after his somewhat flukey win over Linares.

    He did lose to Uchiyama in his next fight, but has since rebounded with a couple of wins and is still ranked in the top ten by the WBA.
     
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