Orlando Salido SD12 Vasyl Lomachekno. Will this be the best win of 2014?

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MVC!, Apr 2, 2014.


  1. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Anyone who follows boxing knows Loma was nothing special from the many successful amateurs before him who hit a brick wall in the pro ranks, and many of them didn't hit the wall against a contender, even. So amateurs really don't mean ****. Different sports.

    Is Floyd Patterson's KO of Pete Rademacher regarded as one of the best HW title defenses ever? No. The exact opposite. And rightfully so.

    I'm not undermining a lot of Lomachenko's non-pro accomplishments. He's one of the best amateur fighters ever. It doesn't mean anything in the pro ranks. Literally zero. I am just able to separate the difference in rules and competition between the two different sports.
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Naazim Richardson on Lomachenko vs Salido.

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  3. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    What exactly did Salido do to win? The only punches he landed were below the belt, he looked horribly outclassed and he's very fortunate he had that ref and the SD, as well as the weight advantage. He'll be in the history books as the only guy to beat Lomachenko as a pro but when you actually look at the fight... It seems more like a NC than anything else.
     
  4. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    Extreme fanboy-ism to the maximum right there in that post...
     
  5. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    If Cordoba won his SD against Rigo would that be an ATG win/win of the year? Keep in mind that Cordoba is a lower level fighter than Salido and that was Rigo's 7th pro outing. It makes me laugh how quickly some people want to write off Lomachenko, even when that decision could've easily went either way.
     
  6. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    And you're saying that Lomachenko is nothing special... Extreme DKSAB-ism right there. Wait and see what happens :deal
     
  7. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    Actually, many people (including many experts) saw many good things from his professional debut and saw a special kid from what they saw in his amateur bouts. That is why he was held as such a heavy favourite.

    Many saw him as someone who wouldn't lose for years to come. That is how big of an impact the man had on the sport when he made the transition.

    So your argument that many saw him as nothing special does not apply at all.

    For your second point, it is a completely different situation. The bookers didn't even put odds the fight because of how big of an underdog Rademacher was. Rademacher yes, was an gold medal winner but Floyd looked like he was going to remain champion for a long long time after his win vs Moore.

    Salido was not the same. Salido's title was pretty much up for grabs. Oddsmakers had him a 5-1 underdog meaning that the majority of oddsmakers and boxing fans were already popping their champaign to crown the new champion.

    Completely different situation.

    Anyways, we'll just agree to disagree. I already agreed that the win can either turn into an ATG level win or a completely worthless one if Lomachenko loses from here on out.

    I still think that it was a great win. He showed great promise from his 1st bout and he was someone that many expected to win.

    Salido also isn't anything exceptional. Sure he was coming off a few wins (A good one vs Cruz) but he was very vulnerable, for him to win like that, a great win.
     
  8. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Did the oddsmakers know that Salido intended to come in at 147? Did they know that the ref would be incompetent and allow low blows to count as scoring body punches? And Salido still only got away with an SD, after being outclassed and hurt.
     
  9. MVC!

    MVC! The Best Ever Full Member

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    You're so incredibly butthurt, I can tell.

    Give Salido his dues, he won fair and square.

    If the referee doesn't warn you, it's all legal.

    Sure he hit him low a few times, but dont tell me that Lomachenko wasn't excessively holding/clinching. :dead
     
  10. A|C|S

    A|C|S The original |A|C|S| Full Member

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    Lomachenko wasnt even in the top 50 p4p

    It was a good win but not amazing
     
  11. HurricanesR1

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    I thought Lomachenko won that fight. Salido's body work was severely exaggerated. He wasn't landing anything (other than the 20-30 low blows).

    Loma clearly out-boxed him and the fight only appeared as close as it did due to the inside fighting. The one who ended up doing the damage was Loma.

    I scored it 7-5
     
  12. Str8ryte

    Str8ryte Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i highly disagree. loma hadnt proved anything regardless if he was the favorite or not. you cant give someone the crown after 1 fight, regardless of his amatuer status. it was a solid win but i dont see it being close to the best of the year so far. we dont know who may is fighting in september and bradley pac 2 hasnt happened yet. we have a long way to go. we shall see.
     
  13. SweetSciGuru

    SweetSciGuru Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    If anything, the Saildo - Loma fight wins the,

    Worst Management/Advisor match-up advice award for not talking sense into Loma about taking that bout in his 2nd Pro fight.
    Sure, the word is that Loma insisted on the fight, but his Promoter and advisors should have talked some truth to him about the real risk versus reward. Sure, had he won, he would have gained a title in just his second Pro fight, but the risk.
    The risk was akin to buffing a $2 Lower East Side Ho with no condom at the risk of not contracting a disease.
    Well Loma lost but still lucked up. He lost and didn't get a disease. He just got a case of crabs.
     
  14. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Poor Lomachenko, he could've fought 24 blown up Bantamweights we've never heard of and been undefeated. Such a shame for boxing fans.
     
  15. Cafe

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    I gotta agree, isn't that a part of boxing management? They majorly ****ed up here. Even though his professional career has just started and he can bounce back from this, it is still a fairly big setback that he didn't need.