orlin Norris vs Quick Tillis?

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by choklab, Jul 19, 2015.


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  1. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    it did look that way against Klitchko. What is clear is that Norris was on the cigarette end of his career by then. It's not like he was the World champion or had any kind of chance by then.

    As for Tyson - Norris, Most of Tysons fights seemed cursed at that time and yet the first round had the makings of a decent fight. If Orlin made a meal of that late punch it sure did backfire on him.
     
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  2. fists of fury

    fists of fury Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I don't know if Norris quit against Tyson.
    Well he did, but what I mean is that he fell awkwardly after a late punch.
    His knee seemed to buckle and while initially straight after he seemed okay, that was adrenaline talking.
    During the round break his adrenaline levels naturally would have subsided somewhat; enough for the knee to feel painful.
    To me it always seemed like a genuine injury.
    I can't comment on the Vitali fight since I have not seen it.
     
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  3. Saad54

    Saad54 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with others. Choklab is overrating Norris a bit.
    I watched all Norris's best fights in his heavyweight prime, as well as those of Tucker, Page and Tubbs. I get the impression Chokloab is a younger guy who didn't follow these guys at the time.

    Page was nowhere near his best against Norris, having been off for 2 yrs and lost a decision to an old Joe Bugner in his last meaningful fight before Norris. Yes, he was in shape, but his speed and reflexes were dulled from what they were in his prime.

    Tubbs beat him. KO mag. reported on the fight and said Tubbs was a clear winner. Yes, the commission changed it to a NC. Tubbs was still pretty good but not in his absolute prime. He had been rather inactive since the Tyson blowout.

    Tucker had just recently returned after a two plus year layoff after the Tyson fight and showed diminished movement against Norris. (I am talking about the first Tucker/Norris fight).
    I watched the fight and it wasn't really a robbery. Norris blocked most of Tucker's shots, but Tony was much busier.

    Norris lost to Cooper in the same year in which Bowe blew out Cooper and Mercer decisioned him.

    So, losses to slightly past their best Tucker and Tubbs and a loss to an inconsistent Cooper. A decision over a faded Page. Norris was a fringe top 10 guy.
     
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  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    He probably carried a long term injury with that knee since it made a star appearance in his loss against Cooper. Perhaps Norris milked the fall in order to get Tyson penalised and hurt it then? The punch set off with the bell and landed a micro second after. with no knockdown there's hardly going to be a warning. And it was a telling blow. But it is not uncommon for knees or ankles to pop out on a genuine knockdown. The body will drop awkwardly. We have all seen it before. Off the top of my head Bob Foster and Primo Carnera damaged themselves falling from genuine knock downs just in title fights. So it's hard to prove. The effort of timing a deliberate fall with a punch that landed and falling in a corresponding direction is proberbly harder to get right than scoring a knockout yourself! Anyway, in my eyes, what ever it was, it spoilt a good matchup.
     
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  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    I am 43years old. I followed all of it. Orlin Norris just did not get the exposure in the UK. I remember him, read about him watched a couple of his fights...BUT that made zero impression on me. They were not NABF title fights with Snipes, Page, Cooper, McCall and Tucker though. I had seen him before he was a cruiserweight I remember that much. In the UK we would get the Terry Norris fight and a clip of his brother from the same card. I remember him on the night Leonard got beat by his brother. non descript "highlights from the undercard". Unless it was the main event nothing else was classed as international importance. For example, I can tell you Alex Garcia never got airtime in the UK but Aldison Rodrigues did. Maybe reviewing the era I am more impressed with the skills of the heavyweights then than now?
     
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  6. Dubblechin

    Dubblechin Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It's a pretty disgraceful performance. Even the pro-Vitali crowd wasn't buying it. He flopped in the first knockdown and laid there like Liston against Ali. The second knockdown, the punch didn't even land. Not included here is a minute or two later, he's laughing with his corner men.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vwIhklwvU4w

    After the Tyson debacle, where he just sat there trying to milk it to get a DQ, and this, I just wrote him off.

    In the last slo-mo replay, notice Norris does the same twisty knee turn he did against Tyson.:roll:

    The two biggest opportunities of his whole career, and he doesn't answer the bell for the second round in either fight and instead looks for the easiest way out.
     
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  7. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    James Tillis could beat Orlin Norris.But it would have to be the contender version, the one between 1981-1983. If they had found out about his allergy earlier, would've been champion.
     
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