orlin Norris vs Tony Tucker

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  1. N_ N___

    N_ N___ Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Marciano had defense. Not Norris level defense though.
     
  2. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    What do you mean?

    A 5'9" or 5'11" come forward swarmer with less than 70.5" reach?
     
  3. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Sounds like one of them was able to fight larger men because he had great defense and quickness.

     
  4. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    The power and extra durability more than makes up for it.
     
  5. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Sounds like you still have not got around to ever watching Norris yourself?
     
  6. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I've gone back and watched a few Orlin Norris fights. These Marciano comparisons are outlandish. Even at 220ish, Norris had MUCH better footspeed, reflexes, balance, and defensive capabilities than Marciano did at 189. Much crisper straight punches too.

    Norris "came ahead" at times but he was also fine letting his opponents be the aggressors. Some of his best punches came from distance, because of his timing and vision. He didn't fall in with his punches or work on the inside like Marciano. Way oversimplistic to call Norris a "come ahead swarmer." It's also a stretch to act as if they have the same reach. Norris at 70' was already operating at a length deficit. Another 3 inch reduction would have made it that much harder for him to score against big men like Page.



     
  7. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    Thank you for viewing Norris for the first time.

    Height and reach is about as close as you can get to Marciano and of course like you say Norris came forward so that is quite a lot in common.

    There are also things that are not the same. Of course Rocky was more rugged, higher paced, aggressive and with a lot more power. Norris lacked these attributes but was as smart, economically a good punch placer. More versatile. They were both expert at using distance to suit them.

    They both set up attacks off the front foot and both countered their way in.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    I hear you, but I think that the differences between them are serious enough that Orlin Norris' career against modern heavyweights tells us little to nothing about how Marciano would have fared. Having remembered very little about Orlin Norris, I expected to see more substantial similarities.


     
  9. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Thanks for talking Norris up though. I really like his style and I've been enjoying his fights.
     
  10. Foxy 01

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    Firstly make your mind up. In one thread you have him ( Norris ) down as 5' 10" in this one you have him down as 5' 9", and for the record Boxrec have him at 5' 11"

    Secondly Tucker wasn't " losing " at all against Douglas, the scores were dead even, when Buster quit.

    Other than that carry on.:roll:
     
  11. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    For years I kept being told a guy Marcianos size could not beat a world class modern sized heavyweight. Size alone! They kept saying a guy that short with a tiny reach would be too easy hit, could not get inside. Etc etc. Too light. No speed. Etc etc.

    So yes Norris is not much like Marciano in a lot of respects but a lot less effective in many other respects. Size alone I think Norris proves something against modern sized heavyweights coming forward.
     
  12. choklab

    choklab cocoon of horror Full Member

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    5'9" is what they list him for this fight, but you watched it so you know that.:good
     
  13. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He was lucky that Page had faded bad by the time he fought him.
     
  14. N_ N___

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    Willie Meehan, an obese flyweight, beat Jack Dempsey several times. There's always an exception to common sense.
     
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  15. Seamus

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    Norris was a far more accomplished cruiser. He was a non factor at heavyweight.