I've gone back and watched a few Orlin Norris fights. These Marciano comparisons are outlandish. Even at 220ish, Norris had MUCH better footspeed, reflexes, balance, and defensive capabilities than Marciano did at 189. Much crisper straight punches too. Norris "came ahead" at times but he was also fine letting his opponents be the aggressors. Some of his best punches came from distance, because of his timing and vision. He didn't fall in with his punches or work on the inside like Marciano. Way oversimplistic to call Norris a "come ahead swarmer." It's also a stretch to act as if they have the same reach. Norris at 70' was already operating at a length deficit. Another 3 inch reduction would have made it that much harder for him to score against big men like Page.
Thank you for viewing Norris for the first time. Height and reach is about as close as you can get to Marciano and of course like you say Norris came forward so that is quite a lot in common. There are also things that are not the same. Of course Rocky was more rugged, higher paced, aggressive and with a lot more power. Norris lacked these attributes but was as smart, economically a good punch placer. More versatile. They were both expert at using distance to suit them. They both set up attacks off the front foot and both countered their way in.
I hear you, but I think that the differences between them are serious enough that Orlin Norris' career against modern heavyweights tells us little to nothing about how Marciano would have fared. Having remembered very little about Orlin Norris, I expected to see more substantial similarities.
Firstly make your mind up. In one thread you have him ( Norris ) down as 5' 10" in this one you have him down as 5' 9", and for the record Boxrec have him at 5' 11" Secondly Tucker wasn't " losing " at all against Douglas, the scores were dead even, when Buster quit. Other than that carry on.:roll:
For years I kept being told a guy Marcianos size could not beat a world class modern sized heavyweight. Size alone! They kept saying a guy that short with a tiny reach would be too easy hit, could not get inside. Etc etc. Too light. No speed. Etc etc. So yes Norris is not much like Marciano in a lot of respects but a lot less effective in many other respects. Size alone I think Norris proves something against modern sized heavyweights coming forward.
Willie Meehan, an obese flyweight, beat Jack Dempsey several times. There's always an exception to common sense.