Ortiz gonna give Floyd all he can handle....

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by gooners!!, Sep 12, 2011.


  1. Outboxer

    Outboxer Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I actually hope Gooners is correct, as it'll make for a more interesting fight.

    I don't see it, though. Ortiz has youth, speed, power and (if he comes in like he did against Berto) relentlessness. His defence has holes all over the place, though...it says a lot that even in his best win, the match that surprised everyone and got him this Floyd fight, he was still knocked down twice. Floyd will be sniping him with every shot in the book as Ortiz comes in with those wild swings, and while Floyd doesn't have much power, he has enough to get respect, especially if he catches you coming in. Ortiz doesn't have the skill to box with Floyd from a distance, and when he charges in and tries the old pressure game, Floyd will be more than ready to counter him.

    I would like to be wrong, but I dunno, I can't imagine Ortiz pulling it off.
     
  2. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    :rofl:lol::rofl:lol:
     
  3. gooners!!

    gooners!! Boxing Junkie banned

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    That's plausible. Nobody can maintain the same tempo for the whole fight, and if your exerting yourself, it takes more of a toll gradually, but that is the only thing I can see giving Floyd the space and time that he needs to utilize his skills on the outside, and the only other time I envisage Floyd getting that time, is if Ortiz starts out trying to box him, and gradually abandons that once he starts getting out-boxed.


    Getting someone's respect is a very important aspect when they're gonna try and pressure you. You have to make them respect you, or work harder.

    I expect Floyd to win, but I also expect him to have to fight at a pace he's not comfortable with, and that he might potentially have to engage Ortiz and take some shots.
     
  4. Wilhelm

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    I've seen people use this line for tons of fights, and it's usually a REALLY off base way of looking at fights. Sharp punches from a pro are effective at slowing a guy's aggression whether they have any hope of putting him on his ass or not. People vastly overestimate the importance of power over speed in determining the effectiveness of someone's aggression. Quick, sharp punches that you don't see coming are, I would argue more effective than slower, harder punches in this regard.
     
  5. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Every Floyd fight its always the same "Floyd doesnt have the power to get the other guys respect"
     
  6. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Thats not true... Id rather pitch in and watch it with friends! Oh this is the internet I forgot you must be rich! :lol:
     
  7. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Hatton was small... JMM is tiny and Mosley was very old! :deal Victor will bring it to floyd. When floyd is on the canvas knocked the **** out. Dont cry Leon! :deal....:hat
     
  8. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Dont need to be rich to afford a 60 dollar card ***.


    Well atleast some of your money will be going to another Floyd victory. :good
     
  9. Leon

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  10. papadoc28

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    I get what your saying, but your forgetting one important fact. Floyd hasn't been relying on power to beat his opponents in years. Just look at him train. Power punching is not a part of his game that he hardly seems to work on. But yet he still wins his fights easily. How? Simply by taking away his opponents gameplan. They are completely at a lost during the fight because whatever they are doing isn't working and they can't figure out why or how to fix it. It's during this time that Floyd steps on the gas and takes over the fight and before they know it, the final bell rings and they got that deer in the headlights look.

    Floyd doesn't beat his opponents into submission like a Foreman or a Tyson. He simply out thinks them(which I consider to be a million times more difficult).

    Will Victor know what to do if bumrushing Floyd with shots doesn't work? I don't believe so.
     
  11. slugger3000

    slugger3000 You Mad Bro? Full Member

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    Well I have Friends and we like to have fight parties and get drunk!! :nut

    So of course I could afford 60$ but why when I could chill with my buddies, play darts, drink brew and enjoy the fights for a fraction of the cost! The 45$ im saving usually goes toward brew and food! :deal
     
  12. gooners!!

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    What have to keep in mind about the Berto fight, is that fight manifested! into what it did. I picked Ortiz to win that fight, but one of the reason for that, was because I knew Berto would be the aggressor, that he would try and open Ortiz up to take away his southpaw advantage, now the fight went as I expected in that aspect, as I referenced Berto's leaky defense on the front foot, how he gets square and throws wide punches, and just generally leaves himself open, now I also knew that Ortiz was a straighter puncher who throws up the middle, so he would potentially get there first, most importantly, I knew he had power, and that Berto had a shaky chin, so the recipe was there for Berto to get hurt or picked off imo, now I believe that is where the fight manifested into what it did, Ortiz got ahead of himself trying to finish Berto and left himself open at times. Berto to his credit though, kept trying to do what I said in my prediction, which was go straight back to putting Ortiz under pressure once he'd gathered himself from being hurt, only he kept getting hurt when he did it.

    I do agree with you though, Ortiz needs patience to pressure Mayweather, not all out aggression, that will make it easier for Floyd to offset him. You have to cut the ring down GRADUALLY.

    I dont see him winning dont get me wrong, I just expect a more competitive fight.:thumbsup
     
  13. Bazooka

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    wrong Pac is the hardest puncher Berto does hit harder than the version of Mosley we have seen in the fight with Floyd and Manny but berto vs a prime roided mosley obviously shane takes it there
     
  14. Masamune

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    Little hatton ???

    by the time the bell rang Ricky was up to about 154 - easily , he had to boil down to scrape in at 140 - it was common knowledge amongst hatton fans that he could put as much as 15 pounds back on just be rehydrating after the weigh in.

    Hatton was a bull of a man - to call him little is just idiotic.
     
  15. BlackBrenny

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    No way, Floyd picks him apart.