Ortiz gonna give Floyd all he can handle....

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  1. gooners!!

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    Floyd has never been in there with a southpaw who's as strong as Ortiz, who's gonna pressure him, and potentially has the ability to break through his defense to negate his languishing around the ropes, so either he will have to keep moving, or he will have hold his feet and get his respect imo.

    Ortiz will come in the ring around 160lbs come fight night.

    The difference is, previous pressure fighters have had sporadic success landing when they've managed to get inside, only Ortiz is bigger, hits harder, is a southpaw, and is very good inside imo.

    I went back and watched a few of Ortiz's earlier fights, and I'm telling ya, the kid is dangerous inside, he has an excellent right hook that might come in useful what with Floyd's low left, he's an excellent body puncher, he's lethal with the uppercuts, he puts his punches together well inside, and can punch
     
  2. Alien

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    Ortiz is likely to get badly outclassed but at least he will probably have stamina unlike Mosley who stopped after two rounds.
     
  3. Leon

    Leon The Artful Dodger Full Member

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    Hey do you think Ortiz is a more challenging fight for Floyd than manny? You seem to consider Ortiz a real threat whenever you speak of him vs Floyd.
     
  4. Bazooka

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    Well isnt most Floyd fans arguing that Manny is easy work for Floyd? so with that being said Floyd obviously took this fight because he felt it was a challenge I mean he wouldnt just take an easy fight for easy money would he:roll:
     
  5. Post Box

    Post Box I'm back too, bitches Full Member

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    Same here he's spot on with break downs and even though I see a total Floyd domination I hope he's right for viewing sake :good
     
  6. gooners!!

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    I dont know, but in a sense, I'm more intrigued by this fight, as I dont KNOW how Floyd is going to adapt if he has to do what I anticipate he might, which is get Ortiz's respect, and that is where the fight could become very interesting imo.

    Every fighter has a window of opportunity of some sort imo, even Margo had it with Pac when he was on the ropes trying to steal a rest, and its how you exploit it, whether you have something to exploit it with, now with Ortiz's power, potential to land on Mayweather, I believe the window of opportunity he has is interesting.

    I get that Ortiz might not be the best at cutting the ring down, although I suspect he will do a better job in this fight, that he doesn't move his head, that he doesn't use the jab that well, meaning he might have to take a few more licks on the way in, but I still think that is a valid question that Floyd is gonna have to answer during the fight.


    I believe Manny will push Floyd, in terms of make him fight as a faster pace than he's comfortable with, but there is a blue print out there to beat him, and Mayweather has greater physical dimensions to dictate against him. Also, whilst Ortiz is not great defensively, he does took up, so whilst he might get hit by punches, maybe you cant always see what's breaking through, where as when Manny gets hit, it looks bad, as his head gets rocked back at times. Ortiz has the ability to fight more patiently than Manny to imo, although the Berto fight would lead you to think otherwise :lol:
     
  7. papadoc28

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    But his defense is lacking and his head movement is nonexistant. Floyd can match any punch Victor has AND HE CAN MAKE VIC MISS! Can you say the same of Ortiz?

    Why is it that people seem to think they every opponent is just gonna walk through Floyd's punches? Its like people think he hits as hard as Malignaggi?
     
  8. Antwuan Maxx

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    I'd be shocked if this fight was even remotely competitive. And if it is, indeed, competitive, then I think Floyd should avoid Pacquiao at all costs.
     
  9. Gander Tasco

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    I think this will be tougher for Floyd then people think too. Floyd has never looked great against southpaws and victor is a big strong pressure fighter, albeit green and lacking experience. I wouldn't be surprised if he gives Floyd a hard time early on, but I expect Floyd's experience to take over by the mid rounds.
     
  10. u29236

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    I think the only people who got ortiz to win is slugger and I. Ortiz has the style to beat floyd. Floyd is an aggresive fighter and is less defensive and less countering when he fights southpaw. Because of this, his aresnal isnt as vast as oppose to fighting orthdox fighters. When he does counter, ortiz will keep pressuring him. As long as he comes in with the jab he will win. If floyd wins, i give him big credit. More credit then mosley, jmm, ODH, and hatton. He's a real prime, hungry, young, and a real legit welter weight. More credit then pac ? JMM 3.
     
  11. Toopretty

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    If Pac/Marquez is competitive even if it is just 5 rounds... Pac should avoid mayweather at all costs.
     
  12. Bazooka

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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av_A2Ap1YQg[/ame]
     
  13. gooners!!

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    That is true. Listen, I dont expect he wont get picked off from range, he will, but point scoring is one thing.


    I'm not dismissing his power, its just I dont know if he has enough single shot power to put Ortiz in his place, cause Floyd aint staying around to put a combination together generally, and if he is, then that is what I'm talking about, him having to hold his feet more to get Ortiz's respect.


    Castillo was not that hard to hit, and believe it or not, Castillo didn't use the jab that consistently either, infact if you watch very closely, neither did Oscar Dela Hoya, its just when he did throw it, it was effective, not to say Oscar wasn't having sporadic success when he wasn't throwing it.

    Another thing, when you counter punch, you generally wait on the opponent, you tend not to use the jab to keep them out at range, as you want to invite them to lead to you so you can counter, so is this why Hatton, Castillo were able to find their way inside, did Floyd allow them inside, will he do that with Ortiz? As Mayweather doesn't really use the jab consistently enough to keep you at range, preferring to counter punch, but what happens if you refuse to lead to him the way Castillo did? He goes onto the backfoot, tries to reset you with movement, then he will lead off when his movement is creating angles for him to attack you, which is how he beat Corrales, by resetting him, but what if the fighter is then able to stalk you off the front applying that mental pressure that makes you feel uncomfortable, the way Castillo did, cause Castillo had him throwing punches from out of range at times if you watch the first fight, and was able to pressure him when he had maneuvered him into vulnerable positions in the ring,
     
  14. Toopretty

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    Ortiz main problem is that he is a tree bro. His head is stationary and he puts little attention to defense. He has a lot of fire power but if he misses a counter puncher can take advantage. He has decent hand speed and he hit hard as ****. I think Floyd and camp see something we dont see in which the fight might be easier for him. I think Ortiz is a little bit stronger than Mayweather who has underrated strength. Mayweather was able to outmuscle Mosley who was able to outmuscle Margarito. Floyd is not going to get hit with Ortiz short uppercuts.. Floyd never ever leans forward except with his lead off right hand which he times and rolls away. If Floyd's legs are shot we got a fight on our hands.
     
  15. gooners!!

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    Cant argue he doesn't move his head enough.

    That is a fair point, but I think its what the uppercut might set up to. Take Manny Pacquiao, when he fought Cotto, Cotto must of knew that he was gonna have to watch out for the straight left that Manny overshoots, particularly given that Cotto used to fight with his head over his lead feet, and whilst Cotto slipped it quite a few times, Manny was able to adapt, instead of pulling out once he'd missed and had Cotto on his heels pulling away from it, he would exploit that by throwing a left uppercut just to get closer to Cotto, to reload his gun so he could fire off another straight left, and because he'd closed the gap even more with the uppercut, and had Cotto on his heels from the first left, Cotto struggled to get away from the next straight left.

    I'm thinking, if he cant land them, might Ortiz just use the uppercuts as a decoy to run his punches up top?