Ortiz quit, chances of being an elitist in jeopardy

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  1. fitzgeraldz

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    Last night Ortiz got caught by a solid punch in the 6th round, winced and took alot of punishment before going down. The ref then asked him if he was alright - he shook his head and walked away from the ref, insinuating that he wanted no more. It just so happens that the cut on his face was bleeding badly, the ref showed him to the ring side physician and they stopped the fight. Aside from that Ortiz has already given up and if the fight hand continued would've only suffered more punishment.

    The post fight interview with Max Kellerman, Ortiz went into why he had stopped fighting, how he didn't want to go out on his back, and how he didn't deserved to be hit like that.

    I know that was in the heat of the moment but a fight should never talk like that.

    From what I understand that was Ortiz' first real loss, the other loss on his resume was a DQ. He didn't take that loss very well and I don't know how this is going to look in the future whenever - if ever he steps up in competition again.

    Thoughts?
     
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  2. fitzgeraldz

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    I've seen fights like this before when guys get rocked early and came back to win the fight ... I thought he would've atleast started to box and try to break this guy down. But he kept trying to knock this guy out - ignoring the fact that he was still hurt - ignoring the fact that this guy has a 90+ % KO ratio.
     
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  3. Irishbc

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    Ortiz is a victim of modern boxing, since Amir Khan is brought up a lot in these threads, go watch his fight with Prescott, look at the absolute fear in his eyes when he gets cracked by that jab. As Johnny Nelson said "He panicked". As did Ortiz, feed them punching bags then throw in a monster and that is what happens.

    I'm not entirely convinced, Ortiz is being slated rather nfairly, sure his comments were jaw-dropping, but just give the guy a chance and now that e's slept on it, let's see what he has to say for himself.
     
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  4. Scar

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    He still has a shot but needs to show more determination, what he showed in this fight leaves lots of questions about his desire to continue. If your head isn't in it then you won't go far in this sport and might end up seriously injured. He needs to sit down and think about it well enough before stepping in again, he has the tools but needs the mentality to go on. Not taking anything away from Maidena, he got the job done like he's supposed to.
     
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  5. fitzgeraldz

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    These guy who are getting brought along slowly are getting surprised once they step up in competition and they are never the same afterwards.

    Now this guy quit and the chance are if he's in a similar situation, he's going to quit again.
     
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  6. Club Fighter

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    To the OP, I think you mean "elite," not elitist. Elitist is actually kind of negative and pretentious. I don't know, maybe you just conjoined elite and titlist together unintentionally.
     
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  7. Irishbc

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    But he's felt the power now, he's been dragged into the deep end and he didn't like it, but he knows what it feels like now, he knows what to expect. We will see how much heart he truly has if he steps into the ring again and proves himself properly
     
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  8. fitzgeraldz

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    Ortiz knocked this guy down twice - this is not ever comparable to Amir Khan.

    Khan was overwhelmed and wasn't strong enough to take a punch from Prescott. He got hurt off of a jab and dropped off of a fatal left hook.

    Ortiz went 6 rounds and got two knock downs ... all he had to do was jab, move, and box his way to victory ... I have no doubt he wouldve won.
     
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  9. Scar

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    Doubtful, fighters can come back from that and erase all doubts. Who would have expected Vitali Klitschko to fight Lewis the way he did with half his face literally sliced to pieces and complain/yell when they stopped it?

    Coming from the Byrd fight people thought he'll quit as soon as the fight gets difficult.
     
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  10. fitzgeraldz

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    Remind you of anyone?

    Francisco Bojado?
     
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  11. fitzgeraldz

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    Klitschko had a seperated shoulder against Chris Byrd - now I don't know if you know what that feels like but ... there was no way he could've continued even if he wanted to ... he was already taking uneccessary shots.

    Look at Frietas ... quit against Corrales ... was reminded of that night and quit again against Diaz.
     
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  12. Irishbc

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    That can be called "Journeyman Mode", a lot of experienced fighters will start to just take a knee and not get up when they get hit by hard punching young prospects.
     
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  13. fitzgeraldz

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    I doubt that Ortiz will ever be the same again ... that was his first real loss and it was a stoppage loss ... that has a tremendous effect on a fighter.
     
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  14. Irishbc

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    Maybe not, as I said I'm just giving him time to reflect and let it hit home, then see what he says about it, see if he really does want to b a fighter now that he's had his rude awakening.
     
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  15. fitzgeraldz

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    I don't really care ... he was in there with a tough opponent and that was a major step up in class as far as i'm concerned. I know he's a hot prospect but he should've been fighting someone who was tough but someone he could learn off of and still win the fight.

    Then I can see him fighting a guy like he did last night ... pushing him to the limit and then see him making adjustments.
     
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