Ortiz really should of beaten Wilder in both fights

That's what often happens to journeymen after they get KO'd for the first time: they keep on losing by KO. Washington KO'd Forrest in 2 who went the 8 round distance with Hunter the fight after, drew with Zhang and gave old Takam a good fight. Washington KO'd Helenius in 8 who KO'd Kownacki in 4, who KO'd him in 2. Based on this there's no reason to assume that Kownacki (who went life and death with an older, more worn Arreola than the one Wilder and Stiverne schooled and destroyed and went life and death with Charles Martin ffs) would have beaten Ortiz, Stiverne, Duhaupas or Breazeale. He'd have at least lost to the first two, likely three and possibly all of them.

 

It's no more smoke and mirrors than AJ's is and Wilder is by far the more dangerous of the two for elite opponents.

 

On one side you had a fighter with 60+ years of boxing experience. On the other, a fighter so crude Saudi Arabia wanted to put him on their flag. The skilled fighter got obliterated both times. Can't take nothing away from Wilder, should haves don't mean much. It's 12 round fight for a reason, and if you can't finish off a hurt fighter or outbox him, it's your ass, especially if they have a punch that would make a prime Popeye on spinach jealous.

 

You lost your credibility the moment you called Wilder an ATG. Joshua's resume is deceptive and has some past if fighters but it's significantly better than Wilder's because Wilder's resume is so bad that it cant be deceptive to anybody with an iq of over 70. It just sucks for somebody who was a world champion for 5 years.

Your boy Deontay is a one trick pony with 1 good win against an old man on blood pressure medication. Stop ducking and debate me so i can end this ridiculous conception once and for all

 

In the first fight the rigged ref helped wilder in every way that he could

 

He got knocked out, **** you mean what happened

 

He's not nearly as good as either but he's extremely tough and dangerous and has the biggest puncher's chance in boxing history.

 

There is no "should have" in heavyweight boxing. You either did, or you didn't. Ortiz stepped up twice and got slept twice

 

Like Amir Khan outboxing Canelo entire fight and then getting dropped

 

Wilder never dropped him. Povetkin did KO Duhaupas.