Ortiz, Ruiz and Dillian Whyteleafe (and big josh)

Pure nonsense and you know it. I cant figure out if youre a troll or just a complete weirdo.

 

Pure truth.

Turned down a chance for for 4 fight deal to fight AJ after Kauffman, Bellew and Whyte.

Turned down a 40% cut to which Qarren referred to as derisory but then accepts 40% in a much smaller fight against Wilder.

Turns down the most recent chance to fight AJ in Saudi.

Not one reported attempt by Fury to ever to make the AJ fight.

 

Ah because Hearn reported them then its all true!

 

You’ve repeated this many times over even though it’s quite a dishonest interpretation. I don’t know why I bother replying because you regurgitate the same stuff over and over but here goes..

Fury turned down the chance to work with Matchroom playing second fiddle to Joshua. Their offer (when he was fat remember) was warm up, Bellew, Whyte, Joshua. We don’t know what terms he was being offered and understandably he didn’t want to be the number 2 in Matchroom’s stable to AJ.

He wanted to get himself in a position where he could fight Joshua as a belt holder for 50/50 - which he did. That’s a smart decision.

As you well know, the arbitration dictated this year’s fight. That’s obviously not Fury’s fault - even you can see that surely. He’s just a fighter.

I don’t believe the idea that there are people on this forum who’s sole aim is to spread Matchroom propaganda - but you make it quite hard to disbelieve! So much dishonesty in your posts.

 

It was quite an interesting run of fights and I’d have enjoyed seeing them, but Fury sees himself as number 1 so obviously didn’t want to be second fiddle to Joshua. We also don’t know the terms of the offer (apart from Mitch of course because Hearn said so on iFL).

 

There's a lot of bollocks in this Mitch

 

Which isn't true? Was he or was not offered these fights and did or did he not turn them down?

Although you may argue specific details or reasons behind it, you can’t deny these points.

 

Anyone can go around offering fights.

Bellew called out Wilder and Andre Ward after beating a one legged David Haye. Doesn't mean they were ducking him. The fact Fury went and fought Wilder not long after 'turning down' Bellew shows your point is a load of rubbish.

 

Man City could offer Harry Kane £5 a week, he’d obviously turn it down. It’s just a moot point - the specific details are completely relevant. It’s just reducing the debate to a ridiculous level if you argue from that position.

 

Can't you see the irony in the contrast between first half or your post, and the second?

A boxer could turn down a bout 1,000,000 times, but that is a moot point if the terms are not feasible.

The forum has a lot of people who pretend to be "in the know" regarding communications between managers, promoters, corporate partners and boxers. It's completely pointless unless there is some kind of outlying transparency and general public agreement between two camps. In fact, I don't even think that they would claim to be "in the know", but claim that they have sufficient evidence from mainstream media to take a stance as if all of the facts were actually present.

Basically, Mitch, you might be right and you might be wrong, but it's fallacious to insist on one side of the bargain.

My notion, and that's all it is, is that Fury most likely would have accepted the Joshua bout if the terms were right and the circumstances allowed the Joshua bout to go ahead without damages elsewhere. However, the circumstances weren't right. He probably did not want to go into such a big bout inactive, and who can blame him for that? It seems that Joshua and his fanboys were desperate to get an inactive Fury in the ring, just like many were desperate for Joshua to call out Fury when he was morbidly obese and a wreck. In the end, we may end up with a bout between two active boxers at a later date. No problem. Usyk vs Joshua and Fury vs Wilder are two competitive bouts.

 

Actual offers were made, offer were rejected.

The Fury that fought Pianetta would of lost to Bellew he was that out of shape (hence why Fury to the easier route prepare him correctly to get back to shape) . As John Fury stated at HW worth his salt would of beaten Fury in the first Wilder vs Fury fight - Whyte would have beaten him then.

 

Are you suggesting what Frank offered Fury (this was prior to TR deal) would have been more lucarative than the MR 4 fight deal? I highly doubt that.

Are you suggesting 40% split with Wilder would have been more lucarative than a 40% deal with AJ - I very much doubt so.

If Fury or Wilder takes either AJ and Usyk then great, I just very much doubt it on what the former two has shown so far.

 

Agreed, details are relevant that's why I mention that they can be argued.

However are you suggesting what Frank offered Fury (this was prior to TR deal) would have been more lucarative than the MR 4 fight deal? I highly doubt that.

Are you suggesting 40% split with Wilder would have been more lucarative than a 40% deal with AJ - I very much doubt so.

 

We don’t know, I think much of why Fury went with Warren was pride. He wouldn’t want to be number 2 at Matchroom, he wants to be number 1. BT and Warren were offering him that chance.

RE: Wilder, probably not at face value - however it’s enabled him to get a 50/50 split in a far bigger fight due to it being undisputed so it’s a smart decision.

The issue people have is you are slightly dishonest in your interpretation of events (removing all context) with the intention of painting Fury in a bad light. You’ve even admitted the context is important so maybe try to include it next time.