Ortiz v Kotelnik

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  1. LP_1985

    LP_1985 JMM beat Pac-Man 3 Times Full Member

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    i think its been a pretty decent start to the season
     
  2. ed7890

    ed7890 Col. Hunter Gathers Full Member

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    Ortiz UD, skilled enough and big enough win plenty rounds, and Kotelnik is very little danger to him.
     
  3. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    Kotelnik deserves this after getting jobbed against Alexander and it's a good match-up stylistically for Ortiz.

    Kotelnik is a guy who is reactive and not proactive. He waits for you to finish and won't catch you with any 'phantom shots' if you keep him occupied, punch in combinations, pepper his guard, have speed with in and out movement and use your physical gifts, which Ortiz has in abundance.

    Kotelnik doesn't have the style and intensity to give Ortiz a 'gut check' and thats probabily why they're making this fight. Ortiz by decision for me.
     
  4. One Bomb

    One Bomb mantis style Full Member

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    Good stuff if this ends up being on the undercard. I fancy Ortiz to keep Kotelnik in his shell by throwing loads of leather. Not a lot will connect but he'll win rounds on activity alone.

    That is unless Kotelnik has learned any lessons from the Alexander decision, i.e. that being passive will not win you fights in the US, even if you, errr... actually did win the fight.

    Dunno about anyone else but I reckon it's starting to look more and more likely that we'll see Khan vs. Ortiz sometime next year.
     
  5. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    What is the best win on Victors resume?:think
     
  6. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    A sluggish, old Nate Campbell. Beating Mike Arnaoutis was a good win too, it probabily gave them a faulse impression though, as Arnaoutis is soo inconsistant.
     
  7. jordan1

    jordan1 Juan Lopez #1 Full Member

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    Ortiz wins by Ko with in 6 rounds.
     
  8. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It is thin compared to Kotelnik who has whipped Alexander and Maidana so I'm surprised why people are thinking Ortiz will blow him away.
     
  9. RockyMartinez

    RockyMartinez Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Think people are going overboard on the Alexander performance. Lets be honest beaten by Witter and Mbaye, got a german decision V Maidana. Not once did Khan plant his feet against kotelnik cos of that chin
     
  10. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    Ortiz's fight to lose really. Kotelnik does really only have one gear, and its a fairly repetetive one.
     
  11. Pug1list

    Pug1list Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Kotelnik isn't getting stopped, might stop Ortiz though.
     
  12. TFFP

    TFFP The Eskimo

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    He hardly 'whipped' Maidana...
     
  13. Scotty321

    Scotty321 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Maybe I exaggerate a little..:oops:
    He certainly faired better than what Victor did with Chino though.:blackeye
     
  14. slip&counter

    slip&counter Gimme some X's and O's Full Member

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    It's not as simple as that though. Common opponents don't really hold much weight in this instance. Besides, Ortiz just fought dumb, had he been a little smarter then he would've put Maidana away.

    Kotelnik is the perfect style for Ortiz. As i said he's reactive not proactive ala Clottey, which means he doesn't bring the consistent, heavy inside pressure to take advantage of the main Ortiz weakness and put him in mentally uncomfortable spots.

    It's mainly a battle of counter punching at mid/long range, when you fight Kotelnik and Ortiz has the speed and athleticism to win it.
     
  15. norfolkinchance

    norfolkinchance Active Member Full Member

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    people seem to be forgetting witter vs kotelnick which quite afew people thought that kotelnick shaded.

    so put witter, alexander and maidana togehter and khnas performance looking a lot better.....