Ortiz vs Khan - how would that play out?

While he looks up 'fact' you need to look up 'true'.

These are not truths, these are called 'assertions', look that up too..

 

He didn't KO Ortiz out in amateurs. He stopped Ortiz on the 20 point rule

 

Sorry, those are Facts. Cold, hard, scientific truths which can be borne out through video and archival research.

1. He cannot improve the way he fights because of his Glass Jaw. Fact. If he was to try and sit on his punches and cause damage he would leave himself open to be countered and one solid punch is enough to put him on ***** Street for an entire round. He can't learn to fight inside because one must have a Chin to survive an inside brawl and he does not and will never have a good Chin. He can't try and learn to accurately counter from the pocket rather than wild flurries from way out because, again, it leaves him too open to be hit himself and subsequently KOed. His amateur-style is here to stay because his pitiful Chin dictates that it is only shot to win.

2. Maidana is completely overrated. Fact. He has absolutely no Boxing skill whatsoever, his cardio is garbage, his Chin is subpar, and he was unable to do anything with a shot, bloated Morales whose Chin faded years ago. Morales, whose Chin is now Pure Glass, took his best shots and was barely phased whereas your Glass Jawed hero Khan was on Bambi legs every time he was struck flush.

3. Khan has no power. Fact. He has one legitimate KO on his record, the rest were British-level stoppages with his opponents being pitty-pattied to death on the ropes. Peterson threw caution to the wind and completely bullied him after realizing that Khan is completely Feather Fisted.

Run along, nuthugger.:hi:

 

He knocked Berto down twice, it's not like he wasn't hitting him

 

15K+ posts and you still haven't learned the sport of boxing?

Khan is no more one dimensional than any other developing fighter.
In comparison to Ortiz, he is more skilled as a boxer. So where is the problem here?

A basic in boxing is not to get hit in your jaw, period. If Khan has problems taking shots to it then he has to fight a fight that doesn't let him get hit.
There are different styles of boxing. Khan is a natural out-fighter, he shouldn't be mixing it up on the inside anyway, and yet he survived Maidana and didn't get KO'd by Peterson - who some people are pretending is a inside boxer -..
Victor Ortiz isn't an inside genius either, and he isn't a better boxer than Khan, and his only hope would be to try and throw everything he's got into some heavy shots upstairs and hope he can knock Khan out...which hasn't worked yet.

Khan vs Ortiz
Lets see it.
Khan fights on the outside and avoids Ortiz in desperate mode..I've got Khan UD or late stoppage cause Ortiz could conceivable give up.

 

Rico has forgotten more about Boxing than you will ever know, nuthugger. Khan is not a developing fighter and his style has not changed whatsoever since his amateur days. It is the same thing every time. His only chance is to backpedal and shoeshine and it will be like that until he is KOed back to British-level events for domestic titles. Glass Jaws Exist in Boxing and your hero has one of the Top 3 worst in the game. End of, deal with it, nuthugger.

 

Khan isn't my hero, but he beats Peterson in a rematch and he beats Ortiz pretty much the same way. He is a better boxer than both of them all day and night. You don't have to like it (and apparently you don't) but that's how it is.

I'd love to see your score cards for Peterson Vs Khan.

 

You have no clue what he does and doesn't do. I do not deal in the "coulda, woulda, shoulda" predictions of nuthuggers, I deal in Facts and I have given you a litany of irrefutable ones to read through. My arguments are ironclad and borne out by video and archival evidence, yours are founded what what you think Khan would do against these fighters. He is a joke. A Glass Jawed Joke. End of.

 

Your argument is your not facts, your 'litany' of 'facts' are assertions and your assertions are not ironclad or irrefutable or impregnable or unassailable or secure or even strong. Your argument is just that 'your argument'.

You haven't presented any video to support your claim whereas I have, and pictures. You bring up Zab. I show Zab getting KO'd by the fighter you are suspicious of.
You say Khan has no power or accuracy. I show pictures that prove otherwise to the tune of Peterson bubbling face.

You think Peterson won a fight fair and square based on his fighting? Get real.
Where are your scorecards for that fight?

Khan had trouble in a fight. BIG DEAL. Its a fight, not a tickling match. He still out boxed Peterson, and without the REF interfering with point reductions he would have won clearly.
And wouldn't you know it..people were suspicious of Joe 'Thunder' Cooper before the fight...
http://boxingalongthebeltway.blogspot.com/2011/12/local-referee-thunder-cooper-selected.html
That'll teach Khan not to give his opponent the hometown advantage with a hometown ref ever again. That was a stupid move to begin with.

This is a thread about predictions of a fight between Ortiz and Khan, so the entire thread is about presenting ways one fighter beats the other.

Video evidence doesn't say that Victor Ortiz beats Amir Khan.
You say 'khans footwork' I say 'Victor doesnt have footwork at all'
You say 'glass jaw'(video evidence -no loss because of it) I say 'Victor has a glass jaw and no heart' (video evidence + lostx2 if you count Mayweather fight)
You let on 'khan cant take pressure' I say 'Khan has taken pressure and won before, never loss to pressure before and Peterson didn't dominate but he did bang on Khan some, without point reduction and card shenanigans Khan still wins'

So no, your argument/assertions aren't actually based on video and archival evidence, they are steeped in your bias for British fighters in general. Where as my argument IS based on video of Khan winning, damage showing Khans power and no loss due to 'bad footwork' Et cetera ..Et cetera..

What there shouldn't be an argument about is that Khan is a better boxer than Victor. If the fight comes down to boxing Khan wins with all the qualities you hate about him, he still wins and sends Victors face home swollen and bruised. Unless Victor can land something in desperation mode that knocks Khan OUT, not down. Khan wins UD or late round stoppage because Victor conceivably would quit on Khan.

 

Ortiz would be all on Khan's ass, and eventually knock him out.

 

Ortiz would steamroll him. This thread has been popping up every few months for the last year or so and it's always the same.....Ortiz has too much power, size and pressure for Amir.

 

This would be aa difficult fight for both. Neither Ortiz nor Khan would get an easy victory, but I think for Ortiz, training for and then fighting Floyd Mayweather (even for 4 rounds) at his age will be an invaluable lesson and something he'll build upon. From that experience I think he would come out on top against Khan. Hope it gets made.

 

Worse than Berto?:huh

Ortiz starches Khan. Khan has NO power and NO chin

 

I never addressed this, but here's what wrong with your statement, IMO. We've seen fighters with weak chins adjust their style after getting starched badly by doubling down on what made them successful to begin with.

I, unlike some, agree that Khan has a good jab, not incredibly accurate or powerful, but that's mainly because he keeps on the back foot while throwing it to maintain the speed and distance advantage he has in pretty much all of his fights up until this point. His footwork, which from your description implies that you think is good, is indeed good for what he does (which is stay on the outside, avoiding any real pressure) but once he's crowded, he doesn't have the precise footwork needed to get out of trouble.

i.e. Look at his foot position when Maidana caught him with that looping right hand:

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At the exact time Maidana caught him, he was doing that lazy side step move he always does which leaves him completely unbraced for anything that comes from his left side.
As a matter of fact, look at his footwork the entire fight when Maidana presses him. It's absolutely atrocious. And people comment on his accuracy simply due to the fact that he throws an incredible amount of punches, I mean, 6,7 punch combinations and he maybe lands like two. He's a volume fighter, so that's his game so I'm not knocking him, but don't act like his accuracy isn't serviceable at best.

I won't even go into his abysmal close range fighting skills cause he has none.

It only takes one, and between the Maidana and Peterson fights, the blueprint is out there. Khan can't change at this point of his career. The only thing he can do is compensate. Get faster, improve footwork and improve stamina to keep moving, cause those are the skills that will save him.

But sooner rather than later, he's going to meet a fighter who has studied his flaws and comes in with the gameplan that we can all see will work, and will proceed to maul Khan. It's inevitable when going up to WW. We shall see who exactly will be the one to do it.

 

Simple.. Either Khans jaw won't hold up or Ortiz heart won't hold up..