Oscar confirms canelo asked for 152

Oh he's going to play obvious because there's nothing else he could do in this case. There's already a lot of demand for this fight regardless of the catchweight and it's going to sell big regardless of whatever DLH says. But if you honestly expect him to go out publicly and say "The catchweight will have an affect people!" as a promoter then you're going out of line. If you were in his place you would do the exact same thing if not worse, in the end it's his job to promote/sell. Businessmen don't really care about fan glory, it's all about hyping and selling the product.

 

No, I don't expect him to say "The catchweight will have an affect people!" Though saying that the catchweight will help Canelo is disingenuous too. because he's not Canelo, and there's no way for him to know if it will actually help or hurt Canelo.

When DLH fought Mayweather, if I remember correctly, DLH barely made the 154 lb limit. Imagine if FMJ would have demanded a catch weight, I doubt DLH would have been able to make that catchweight. Look what happened when DLH drained himself down to fight Pacquiao. DLH was very competative vs FMJ at 154, but if there would have been a 152 catch weight, I bet it would have been more a one-sided win for FMJ.

There is a lot of demand for this fight, and people will buy it catch weight or not, but I bet they won't get quite as many buys as they would have had their been no BS catchweight and all this deception and spin from DLH. If this fight is fought at a catch weight, unless Canelo wins, there will always be an askerisk on this fight and that ain't right. When you got two undefeated fighters each with 40+ wins, fans deserve a real BS-free mega super fight.

 

Again, no offense but seriously how can you consider yourself educated and make ridiculous comments like that? You do realize he represents Alvarez because he's his promoter, right? He's literally PAID BY ALVAREZ to make such comments and worse just as long as he sells like he's supposed to. I hope you know that. In the long run people won't remember/care about what DLH said prior to this fight as a promoter, they will remember two things. The winner of the fight and if the fight was exciting or not.

Of course FMJ won't make any demands because he couldn't afford to back then. Back then, Mayweather begged/needed a jackpot fight with DLH(who was the biggest name at the time). It was DLH who made all the demands. Venue, gloves, ring, weight, money and whatever else I'm missing. With Alvarez and Mayweather you have a similar case. It's Mayweather who's in the driver's seat this time and is making demands because he earned his position just like DLH did in 2007. Alvarez will easily oblige because he's desperate for the payday and attention this type of fight will bring, it's every fighter's dream. Whether the catchweight will affect him or not is another discussion. One thing's for sure, if it wasn't going to give Mayweather an advantage he wouldn't have demanded it.

Oh trust me, this fight will sell regardless. The main targets in the sport are the casuals and the majority of casuals know nothing about catchweights and don't care to know. Casuals look at posters, if it looks good they order, simple as that. Half of them, if not more, don't even read articles or watch clips. At best they watch highlights or 24/7s two days before the fight. Did the majority give a damn when Cotto was brought down to 145 for Pacquiao?, how about Concreto at 150? No, because they majority that bought these PPVs are casuals who don't know nor give a damn what in the hell is a catchweight. Hell if you ask 10 casuals what's the weight limit for Junior Middle probably two will answer correctly.

 

I thought Schaefer saved the day?

He said Floyd wanted 147, then 150, so in the end they negotiated 152 to make the fight.

 

This^^^. :thumbsup

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Pretty good post, and my own thoughts exactly; couldn't have articulated my own reply any better if I wanted to. Thanks.

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I thought DLH said the catch weight was Canelo's idea.:roll:

Floyd only said he wanted 147 because he's a gambler and was "playing the odds". By saying he wanted it at 147, he had to start that low to get Canelo down from 154. But why then did FMJ fight Cotto at 154, and said what he said about how catch weights were meaningless, and he wants Cotto at his best?

How often are there catch weights made at obscure weights like 152 within a weight division? boxers are supposed to fight for belts at the standard weight class limit, especailly when you claim that's what you do (like FMJ did) and both guys in the fight have 154 lb tities! FMJ knew that fighting Canelo at 147 was absurd. Canelo is a Light Middleweight, where as FJM is a welterweight who gains a few extra pounds to make 150 and fight at LM.

If FMJ was really the best, if he was a real man, he would man up and treat Canelo like he treated Cotto, and face him at 154 fair and square, with no BS, and the fans would love him for it. Instead, he demanded a catchweight because he was scared of Canelo's punching power, plain and simple. He's "giving the fans what they want"...but there's a catch...and there's an askerisk. FMJ is the best*. (the best...askerisk)

 

This is very untrue. Schaefer never said Floyd wanted 147. Mind what misinformation you propagate.

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the catch weight must have been Canelo's idea, then right? Musta been Canelo's idea to force himself to have to make 152 or lose 20% of the purse....atsch Hey that's what DLH said, the whole catch weight thing was Canelo's idea, right DLH?

 

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Sorry it was Reynose who said it, but he gives credit to Schaefer for making a compromise.

I can't copy the link.

Just Google - Canelo's trainer explains Mayweather catch-weight deal.

 

Sure, he "asked" for it, in the same way that if someone broke into your house and said he was going to kill your wife and you "asked" him to take the money out of your safe instead.

Not exactly doing it out of the kindness of your heart, are you?

 

I totally agree with this. Shadow111 cannot consider himself educated and neither can anyone else when they feel so outraged/stunned by a business man appropriately conducting business. I could possibly understand a dreamy high school student thinking the world is all fairytales and sunshine but for anyone above that level, its just plainly embarrassing.

 

You're still not getting it. I am very educated, this isn't about shadow111. This is about Floyd Money May! There's nothing wrong with a man conducting his business. But there's such a thing known as "business ethics". And when you go out there and say what Money May said about catchweights, then turn around and do the opposite, you cannot be considered the best. Not without an askerisk. Mayweather deserves respect, but only when he conducts his business appropriately. He deserves credit for being willing to fight Canelo. He's given his life to the sport, but don't try to pull a fast one on Canelo just because Canelo is a nice guy. And don't insult the fans' intelligence by acting like the catchweight was Canelo's idea. Man up Floyd and the fans will respect you for it.

 

Yes. He asked for 152 AFTER Floyd asked for Canelo to come down to 147. Dont make it seem as if Canelo initially preferred the fight take place at 152. He compromised to make it happen.