Oscar De La Hoya an all time great

I think Oscar is a shue in for hall of fame but I believe ATG status should only apply to those who totally dominated their divisions & fought all the top contenders & found a way to win in the process. He certainly has been good for boxing. Oscar should fight Marg, win or lose if its his last fight, who cares who hates him if he wins. I also believe he defeated tito, I thought he beat mosley in the rematch but I thought Sturm beat him so maybe fair & square worked itself out in the end. I also thought he dogged it against hopkins.

 

You can't find a modern fighter who better exemplified the bit I highlighted than Oscar.

He found a way to win against most of the best he fought, and was even money with most of the elites. He proved more than fighters of pretty qual ability, but the fact that he did take on the best deserves him a higher ranking than most.

 

I'm not disagreeing sweet pea but I'll ask this, if there was only one belt for one champion per division, which division would he have been the dominate fighter at. He was at his best I reckon at WW & although he did lose to mosley in their 1st fight, I thought he won 7-5rds in the rematch. Definately beat tito at worst 7-5rds but never rematched, beat quartey by 1 point on my card but again should of fought Ike again due to the closeness of the fight, and never fought winky which could of made him the man at WW. An ATG would of fought everyone who was anyone in his division & rematched anyone who the general public thought may have beaten him.

 

There were plenty of fighters considered ATG's who fought far less opposition. If there's a single thing he can't be discredited for, it's his opposition. I actually had Quartey beating him by a point, but I think his best weight was 140 in terms of effectiveness actually.

 

This guy has it in him if he trains properly and is really special to pull it off and beat Margo via decision but it will take something truly special from inside of him. Its something I always thought he lacked. If he gets beat down by Margo at least he goes down with some respect. Choosing to fight Pac would confirm all the worst things I always suspected and belived about this guy.

 

I have Tito and Oscar neck in neck in ATG status of their generation. Like Leonard and Hearns I like them both for different reasons and don't see a conflict in keeping them as legends of their time. I prefer Leonard to Hearns so obviously Hoya to Trinidad but this is purely subjective. They gave us many great memories.

 

You keep ragging on Hoya but who do you consider higher than Hoya in his own generation and of his peers? Any of the competing peers had their share of losses as well, Mosley, Trinidad, Quartey, Vargas, Forrest, just to name some of the big ones at welterweight and above.

 

atsch What are you gay?
Oh I forgot, look at your avatar:-(

 

:rofl

 

But that would make the list very, very, very small.

There's always contenders who get left out, especially when guys move up in weight.

You can't fight EVERYONE.

 

As i said in the Classic board, if you separate Boxing's history line in the 60's(beginning of WBC/WBA, junior/senior weightclass, Televised bouts, boxers fought less then 100 times...), i would say from 1960

Top 5 Lightweight

Top 20 Welterweight

ATG hes not so great, maybe except in the Lightweight.

 

If it's post-1960, I'd say he's higher at welterweight, but I don't know about quite so high at lightweight. He only faced one world-class lightweight, although he beat some very good junior lightweights moving up in weight, before he left 135.

 

No matter the outcome of his fight with Pacman, he is a sure bet to the HOF and an ATG to booth. Future critics will be more lenient and discount that fight with Pacquio as any debacle to his glorious resume knowing it was only an exhibition match. A win or a loss will only be a mere addendum (or a footnote) in his resume, whereas, a fight with Margarito will carry its weight in his win-loss card drastically altering his status, particularly if he is badly beaten by Margo.

 

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