Oscar De La Hoya: best 1st 5 years of any career ever??

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  1. Jack Presscot

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    Lowew is a Schveinhundt, and Oscar de la Hoya is a "Fraulein"
     
  2. Jack Presscot

    Jack Presscot Boxing Addict Full Member

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    And German beer is overrated.
     
  3. Loewe

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    Yeah, it probalby isn´t the best in the universe just on this planet :good
     
  4. Loewe

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    Wrong again! My nick is Loewe, you should learn to type, than "is a" is either English or Bavarian but not German. "Schveinehundt" is also wrong it should be "Schweinehund". And it isn´t "Fraulein" but "Fraeulein" because "ae" is the same as "ä". You probably should train your German quite a bit.
     
  5. BewareofDawg

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    Damn Teach! He was pretty damn close! I'm not sure what Schweiencunt means but you sure are acting like one :lol:
     
  6. Jack Presscot

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    I'll toast with an English Mead everytime the USA beats the **** out of the Germans in the Olympics!
     
  7. joecaldragon

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    Quote:
    Originally Posted by iceman71
    no use since you are blinded by the DLH golden bull****.
    WBO titles were pretty bogus back then, no one counted them.

    you say he fought the best out there , but clearly he did not, he picked on the weakest champions by far. when there are 4 titles in every division, someone is always gona be the path of least resistance. and dont say on one hand how great he was the first 5 years and when you get called out for fighting jimmy brehdal ( who never has one notable win in his career) and a shot featherweight in Paez for fringe WBO titles and use the excuse he was young for not fighting the toughest and most notable "ring" champs back then. cant have it both ways....

    Pacfan:

    OK, again then, at the time DLH fought Bredahl, the 3 other major jr lightweight champions were:

    John-John Molina (IBF)
    Genaro Hernandez (WBA)
    Azumah Nelson (WBC)- who had already committed to fighting Jesse James Leija in May so DLH couldn't fight him (DLH-Bredahl was March)

    What do Molina, Hernandez and Leija all have in common??

    THEY WERE ALL BEATEN BY DE LA HOYA IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.


    OK, again then, at the time DLH fought Paez, the 3 other major lightweight champions were:

    Miguel Angel Gonzalez (WBC)
    Rafael Ruelas (IBF)
    Orzubek Nazarov (WBA)

    What do 2 out of 3, Gonzalez and Ruelas both have in commmon??

    THEY WERE BOTH BEATEN BY DE LA HOYA IN THE NEXT COUPLE OF YEARS.

    Nazarov was fighting almost exclusively in South Africa and Japan at the time, and did not have the profile to justify hanging around any longer at lightweight. Even then, beating 3 out of 4 champions ain't bad.



    Rebutted with extra...



    Nice work Pac, dismantled them with the aid of our good friends- The Facts.
     
  8. Jack Presscot

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    Pac didnt dismantle ****. All he did was manage to paint a turd gold. Oscarsexuals are experts at that, concerning DLH's overrated career.
     
  9. joecaldragon

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    What a fact-filled, insightful, well-argued response. You win.

    Btw, he wasn't trying to say anything about DLH's career, just about the 1st 5 years of it. The clue is in the title...
     
  10. Thread Stealer

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    De La Hoya had a very impressive first 5 years, but the titles and weight thing has to be taken into perspective when comparing to fighters of the past.

    De La Hoya was in an era with different weigh-in procedures. Compare the number of multi-division champs in recent years and back to the fighters under different rules. Also, he had more titles to choose from. IBF/WBA/WBC/WBO. Fighters before had less titles to choose from.

    The two great Sugar Ray's first 5 years were more impressive, despite not having the multi-divisional titles.

    Within Leonard's first 5 years, he defeated 3 ATGs (or at least second-tier greats). Two of them, in Wlifred Benitez and Thomas Hearns, were undefeated and in their early 20s. The other, Roberto Duran, was 72-1. Leonard also beat a very good undefeated fighter in Ayub Kalule for the 154 lb. title (an often overlooked win). On ther road to the title, Leonard beat top 10 contenders Johnny Gant, Randy Shields, Pete Ranzany, Andy Price, and top 5 ranked middleweight Marcus Geraldo.

    Within 5 years of his pro debut, Robinson was 57-1-1. He beat lightweight champion, future Hall of Famer Sammy Angott 9 MONTHS AFTER TURNING PRO in a non-title bout. Three months later, Robinson beat future Hall of Famer Fritzie Zivic. He repeated the trick 3 months later. He beat Angott again, a few months later. Then beat future Hall of Famer, consensus top 10 all-time middleweight Jake LaMotta later that year the first of 5 times, while giving up 12 pounds. This is all within 2 years of his professional debut.

    5-0 against 3 different Hall of Famers, one of them being a reigning champion, and one of them outweighing Ray by 12 pounds.

    Within the next year, Robinson split a pair of bouts with Jake LaMotta, and beat consensus top 3 all-time fighter Henry Armstrong (OK, Hank was old, but the Chavez that DLH beat wasn't exactly a spring chicken).

    Robinson had a year off of boxing due to the Army. In short time after the year layoff, Robinson beat contender Tommy Bell, beat LaMotta again (spotting Jake 10 lbs), drew with the terrific middleweight Jose Basora (considered a top 10 Puerto Rican fighter all-time by The Ring), and then beat LaMotta again (this time spotting Jake 9 lbs.)

    So within 5 years of Robinson's pro debut, he went 9-1 against 4 different Hall of Famers, was 57-1-1 overall, with the loss coming to LaMotta who had 16 pounds on Ray, and the draw coming to an excellent middleweight in Basora who also had a size advantage on Ray.