Oscar De La Hoya is not a great boxer

Discussion in 'Classic Boxing Forum' started by I Know Everythi, Feb 14, 2014.


  1. I Know Everythi

    I Know Everythi Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Oscar is one of the most overrated boxers, no, one of the most overrated athletes in the history of sports. Oscar was exposed and showed up every time he fought top level competition - and still got many gifts in the process. Oscar is like Sven Ottke, getting gift decisions all the time. He is more overrated than Floyd and Manny combined, and that is quite a difficult accomplishment. Let's look at his "notable" career starting with Chavez because prior to that point he fought nobodies. He is not a top 55 pound for pound fighter, never could be, and that might be giving Oscar too much credit.

    1) Chavez - Chavez es cómo Oscar - sobrevalorado, Chavez peleó contra bums por todo su carrera. Chavez best wins are Haugen, Camacho, and 2 wins over Meldrick Taylor with one being a huge stroke of luck due to help from Richard Steele. Chavez could have been 200-0 but it does nothing to change the fact that he beat up taxi drivers throughout his career and has a padded record. Like Oscar, Chavez is more name value and myth than substance. Also, Chavez was way past his best having already been whipped by Pernell and Norwood. By the time he fought Oscar he was even worse than he was in his prime.

    2) Pernell Whitaker - Pernell crushed Oscar easy - despite having a point taken away - but the judges were blind. Oscar threw flurries at the end of the rounds to confuse the judges and make it seem like he was landing shots when Pernell was not touched at all. Pernell's jab landed more often than any of Oscar's flurries. Unfortunately for Pernell, because his defense was so good the judges overvalued the few times he did get hit - and those were very FEW times. Oscar got a gift decision and this is not a legit win. Considering that Pernell was near the end and Oscar in his prime that makes it worse. Just like when fat 38 year old past his prime Lennox dismantled the overrated bum Vitali in his prime.

    3) Hector Camacho - Camacho es cómo Chavez, el peleó contra bums por todo su carrera. Camacho never had a notable win. Beating a washed up Duran and a Ray Leonard coming off a 6 year hiatus is not notable. Got whipped by Greg Haugen and the fact that Camacho won the rematch isn't impressive because Haugen wasn't good to begin with.

    4) Ike Quartey - who did Quartey beat that made him such a great boxer? Not Vince Phillips - his best win.

    5) Felix Trinidad - it's not only important for someone to win a fight. What matters is how you win. And how did Oscar win the fight? By literally running away for the last 3 rounds. Good thing that Oscar got a taste of his own medicine and got robbed by the judges. For once the judges make Oscar pay for the gifts he received in his career. If you think that an all time great fighter is someone who literally runs away for 3 rounds in a championship fight then you are delusional. Mucho respeto a Tito porque el nunca peleó en una manera con falta de respeto por boxeo - como la suciedad que se llama Oscar.

    6) Shane Mosley - Shane put 2 whippings on De La Hoya. Just like with Whitaker, when Oscar fights the cream of the crop he falls short (with the one exception of Trinidad - in which he didn't fight like a true champion). Even if the second fight was close, Oscar didn't convincingly win it.

    7) Arturo Gatti - Gatti has a great chin and that's about it. Outside of his exciting fights with Ward - a C level fighter - there is nothing notable about Gatti's career. Beating a C level fighter like Gatti doesn't make you elite.

    8. Fernando Vargas - Fernando es basura cómo Oscar. Yo reía cuando él perdía. Fernando's biggest claim to fame is beating an inexperienced Winky Wright. Whoop de doo another C level fighter that Oscar beat. But it makes sense for Oscar to fight Vargas because Oscar has never top level boxers without running away for 3 rounds.

    9) Ramon Campas - never beat anyone. Another can for Oscar

    10) Felix Sturm - wow Oscar got gifted a decision that he shouldn't have. What a surprise.

    11) Bernard Hopkins - unlike Floyd Oscar and Manny, Bernard is an all time great fighter. And it showed when Bernard crushed Oscar's liver. Would have been even more enjoyable if the liver shot was as good as RJJ vs Virgil Hill. I don't care if Bernard is bigger. Did size stop Roberto Duran from moving up 2 classes and handing Ray Leonard his first loss? Skills pay the bills - not weight.

    12) Ricardo Mayorga - Miguel Cotto lo dijo en la manera mejor. "Después de la pelea de la sorpresa de Vernon Forrest, Ricardo Mayorga murío." Mayorga had his 15 minutes of fame from beating Forrest. That's it. This would not be a notable win on an all time great fighter's resume, but because Oscar's record is so weak it stands out more than it should.

    13) Floyd Mayweather - two overrated fighters going at it. Floyd clearly won the fight but - what a surprise - one judge was stupid enough to give Oscar the win. Thank God there were two competent judges or Oscar would be given a third gift decision.

    14) Manny Pacquiao - two overrated fighters going at it once again. And Oscar got exposed as the more overrated one.

    And there you have it. Oscar De La Basura. Despite winning 10 paper titles in 6 weight classes, Oscar has proven that that is simply due to the fact that he is the beneficiary of an era where there are four belts per class and paper champions galore. No wonder he won so many titles in so many classes - all the paper champions he won them from were bums. Oscar es un hombre y campeon falso. Nunca sería con los cincuento boxeadores mejores del tiempo, libra por libra. Oscar es un hombre falso y un campeon falso. Nunca sería uno de los cincuenta boxeadores mejores del tiempo, libra por libra y nunca podría ser. Es un pocho de basura y suciedad.

    I know certain people who are sheep following the herd behind Oscar have prepared fallacious arguments to defend him, so I will dismantle those arguments right away

    1) Oscar rightfully beat Pernell and got robbed vs Mosley and Trinidad - Regarding Pernell, if you believe Oscar won then you don't know how to judge. Regarding Shane - a blind squirrel finds an acorn every now and then and one win over Shane Mosley after previously losing to him doesnt up your stock much. Regarding Tito - Oscar ran away for 3 rounds. That's not something a true p4p great would do. Don't forget that Sturm also whipped Oscar

    2) Oscar has 10 titles in 6 classes - so what? There are 4 titles per class so being a champion doesn't hold much value. Looking at the gift decisions he got and the weak opposition he legitimately beat, that's not impressive. It doesn't matter if he has 20 belts in 20 classes - if he fought bums and paper champs it holds little value.

    3) Well Oscar fought the best so even if he lost he is one of the best - No. Canelo Alvarez fought the best in Floyd Mayweather - does that make him one of the best? No. It's not impressive to fight the best if you keep losing - in the sense that Oscar is not a top level boxer.

    What has been written is IRREFUTABLE UNDENIABLE INDISPUTABLE UNCONTESTABLE NONSUBJECTIVE UNQUESTIONABLE FLAWLESS FACT (not opinion or conjecture in the slightest). If anyone can disprove this magnanimous insight of my wisdom, I will respond and acknowledge my mistake. Unfortunately, no competent human being can deny the undeniable, and therefore there is no chance of disproving the facts stated above. By extension - the chances of receiving my response are negligible.
     
  2. hookfromhell

    hookfromhell Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Olympic champion, multi weight world champion, possibly the best
    left hook at light weight, an elite jab loads of heart and hunger.
    You can criticize most fighters' resumes, however there are two
    sides to every coin. You basically criticize all of his wins as being over
    nobodies while calling every loss an ass whipping. Not true, furthermore
    Oscar's hunger to face the best fighters in the world is not present in
    Manny or Floyd. Maybe it is in Manny.
     
  3. redrooster

    redrooster Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I voted no and I was in the Oscar De Lahoya fan club.
     
  4. ETM

    ETM I thought I did enough to win. Full Member

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    This is by far the greatest thread ever.:smoke
     
  5. Thread Stealer

    Thread Stealer Loyal Member Full Member

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    Whitaker fight could have gone either way.

    DLH did basically nothing for large portions of the Quartey fight and was lucky to get the decision. A great 12th round doesn't make up for numerous rounds of doing nothing.

    DLH admittedly got tired against Trinidad but still won more rounds than him.

    2nd loss to Mosley was controversial. Not sure how much credit DLH would have gotten anyway given Mosley's performances throughout his career at 154 and him not having won a fight in over 2 years when he faced Oscar.

    Vargas, Ruelas, Chavez, MAG are all good wins.
     
  6. HeavyweightCP

    HeavyweightCP Boxing Addict Full Member

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  7. Boxed Ears

    Boxed Ears this my daddy's account (RIP daddy) Full Member

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    Oscar never fought Marco Antonio Guerrera.
     
  8. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    why are such ****suckers infiltrating this once great board?
     
  9. Entaowed

    Entaowed Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yeah man, this is no way to live. You have other alts not even names, & I fear that your Egomaniacal language is NOT a playful put-on, that you actually have the need to pretend that your extreme opinions are God-Like facts to compensate for deep insecurities.

    Look, if you want to be taken seriously, you must grow up. The TRUTHS you include are going to be lost & dismissed amongst the exaggerated 1 sided cartoon opinions. To call either Klithcko a "bum" & mean it is insane, wherever you rank them precisely.

    Look, do something extremely impressive & unusual: ADMIT your obvious bias & racist motivations. Apologize, show some humility, & try to reform.

    We will resepct you exponentially more, & you still can remain anonymous, OK?
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Round 12 Quartey.

    thread over.
     
  11. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    His opposition and career achievements were excellent. I am inclined to thinking Whitaker might have deserved the decision though, but I may be in the minority.
     
  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Not really. He's feeding him exactly what he wants.
     
  13. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    He won lots of titles and was a very good fighter but his career was very well managed and most of the names he fought were fought at times in there careers and at weights that favoured de la Hoya
     
  14. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    True.
     
  15. Mr Butt

    Mr Butt Boxing Junkie Full Member

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