Oscar De La Hoya is not an ATG.

I have to agree on this.

 

They don't come any dumber than this.

 

Give me a ****ing break

 

atsch

 

Tszyu was actually considered P4P 1-3 outside of America.

Even the yanks had him top 10 though.

 

That fight wasn't gonna happen even if Tszyu got past Hatton, unless Tszyu was wiling to jump up 2 divisions.

Oscar ain't fighting @ 147 again, no matter what he or Larry Merchant claim.

 

i think if you throw his gold medal in there then he definately makes it

 

Excellent synopsis Amsterdam. Very well put together I must say. I agree with so many of your points and would add that at Junior Lightweight he avoided the great Azumah Nelson and settled for Jimmy Bredahl. I have always noted Bob Arum might be many things but he is not a fool.

Hall of fame definitely. I mean if Barry McGuigan and other lesser fight have got in then ODLH is certainty for the Hall of Fame. The reason why he is not an all time great is that when he fought the great ones at their peak and his not only did he lose his performance level dropped as well. He lost to Trinidad, Hopkins, Mosley twice and PBF. He really lost the fight to Whittaker, Sturm and Quartey clearly in my opinion. He was the equivalent in cricket terms of flat track bully. Put him with grade B and C level fighter he looked dynamite put him in with the best and he looked pedestrian.

I can rate him as an all time great rather I view him as very very good fighter who was very popular at least in certain quarters. By comparison I dislike and detest Sugar Ray Leonard as a man, but I as a fighting man I recognise him as an all time great within the top 10 or arguably top 5 pound for pound greatest of all time. Popularity does not equal greatness it is the accomplishments of a fighter than determine greateness.

 

I dont know if he is a atg, but for sure he had always fougth the best, he should be given kredit for that.

 

Probably spot on. i belive he would of been greater if he never had made so much money so soon. that efected his development as fighter

He is a lowly ranked ATG in my opinion

 

good point. but duran dominated a division and beat some great lightweights in ken buchanan (albeit controversial) and esteban de jesus (2 ko's). He also beat some very good fighters at this.

He then jumped up two weights and beat a very good fighter in carlos palomino. he then beat leonard (one of the best ever) when both were in great shape. **** THE REMATCH. DURAN WAS OUT OF SHAPE. THAT WAS NOT THE RD WE KNOW

After being down and out, he rebounded by beating davey moore and then giving marving hagler one of his hardest fights. got flattened by hearns but he came back years later and beat a good young middleweight in iran narkley

THERE ARE MANY OTHER ACHIEVEMENT I CAN NAME BY MANOS DE PIEDRA
DURAN IS A BONA FIDE TOP 10 ALLTIME GREAT. De la hoya left a lot of doubt in his key fights with trinidad, quartey, mosley and whitaker. he never got the conclusive victories needed to get into the top tier ATG list

I thought he beat quartey, trinidad and whitaker. But he didn't beat these fighters in the great style Duran destroyed je jesus, leonard (this was close) and other very good fighters

iF HE HAD OF PUSHED BERNARD HOPKINS CLOSE IN 2004 LIKE DURAN WITH HAGLER 1983 HIS STATUS WOULD OF RISED

 

GREAT POINT, BUT HEARNS HAS TO GIVEN CREDIT FOR DESTROYING PIPINO CUEVAS IN 1980, WILFRED BENITZ (GREAT FIHTER) IN 82 and coming back in 1991 to beat a very good fighter in virgil hill is well as the other titles he won

 

Duran's own laziness was his fault. He's one of the greats regardless, but his standing (already very high) does suffer due to his own lack of consistency in training.

Duran's fight with Hagler was also the most exaggerated "close" fight ever. He did a good job of making Hagler miss in the early going, and made it competitive. It was still not a close fight. Duran won like 4 rounds in reality. Those judges were on cocaine and Jack Daniels.

 

Duran was winning the fight on some score cards going into the later rounds