Oscar De La Hoya is not an ATG.

People don't think Camacho was an ATG so why is De La Hoya an all time great.? So what if he was a 5 time champion who did he beat to get to get those early titles? Nobody really good in particular. He barely beat Molina. He got gift win's against Whitaker and Quartey. He blew the fight against Tito. His best win was against Vargas. He was a very good fighter but not an all time great.

 

Oscar has many wins over B class opponents and past-their-prime ATGs in Chavez/Whitaker, but against the great fighters he did face that were still at or near their primes, he lost (which is a big deal when considering this because they were career defining fights). He's had an abundance of close/controversial decisions as well. De La Hoya certainly deserves the title of "great" but it's questionable whether or not he is an ATG (same category as the Hearns', Leonard's, Duran's, Whitaker's, Chavez's, Hagler's, Jones's, etc). A case can definitely be made, but I am not one who thinks he is.

 

Exactly. A lot of his "best" wins were over Tito leftovers, not just Vargas. And the five 5 time champ label is just a label. Oscar should of brought a gun the way he robbed Sturm.

 

We have no idea how good or bad Oscar really was. He didn't fight enough Europeans (we know why), just name Americans instead.

 

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If only we saw De La Hoya-Urkal

 

So....what is this 'cut off' mark where you go from being an ATG to just a 'good' boxer? Anyone?

 

Of course not. Hops v DLH was a HBO production. Hops victories over Glen Johnson and Echols mean more to me, not to mention the Excellent beatdown performance on Trinidad and beating Tarver who i actually thought would beat X.

 

I'd rather have seen Mayweather - Karmazin than that farce on May 5th.

 

Oscar makes the big money for a few reasons.

-He was a Gold Medalist with the heartwarming story of doing it for his deceased mother. That made him a name already as an amateur, as the Olympics have increasingly had less significance for boxers over the years and their future popularity.

-He's a Mexican-American. He can speak both Spanish and English and promote his fights and himself in both languages. The Latino market is a huge market in boxing.

-He has the looks to even attract female viewers.

Even when Oscar fights scrubs, he makes crazy money (though not as much as against top fighters). And even when he has dull or mediocre fights...his next PPV fight will still do solid-to-great numbers.

 

yeah but tito lost to dlh :deal

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I dunno.

I'm guessing I would say fighters like Leonard, Duran, Hagler, Whitaker are ATGs....Others like McCallum, Trinidad, De La Hoya...are greats.

At least that's how I would put it.

As far as being "good", I don't know. People will say a guy like Ward or Gatti isn't that good, but in actuality when you think about it, being a top 10-20 fighter in your weight class in the world is really far better than simply "good".

 

That's better than I could put it:good

 

That works for me. :smoke

DLH is NOT an ATG. I think he may be as close to one as e have in this era though.

But what does that say about anyone ele fighting today? DLH's resume is still better then that of anyoe else fighting IMHO, dspite the losses.

 

yes.. i'll give you the olmypics .. but i highly doubt him being able to speak is why people watch him .. yes you have lady veiwers... but if looks really made a cause for the ladies to watch ...wouldnt guys like floyd mayweather .. and other good looking boxers do huge numbers too? ...

i think people like it when he throws the left hook ...more then the whole talking thing ...

could it be that this cat does great numbers because hes only been in like 2 or 3 boring fights? .. perhaps