Oscar De La Hoya is not an ATG.

Fine:bart

but DLH is an ICON :deal :hey

the man can buty your house and have you one the street and you would still buy his fight:yep

 

So does that mean DLH's stock will rise to ATG status some day?

 

Amsterdam, who in this era (well, since 1990) do you think is an ATG?

 

Emotional responses don't change anything. This isn't about whether he could have made money fighting other people than he did fight. It's about where he ranks all-time. That's all. This isn't about his heart or his desire or commitment, necessarily, it's about his accomplishments, what he did or didn't do.

 

Hopkins is head and shoulders above Oscar. I don't know why he was brought into this thread in a negative light. Uncalled for.

 

Oscar really hasn't been all that exciting as you make him out to be. He may not be boring, but he's not exactly Erik Morales or Manny Pacquiao either.

Look at his fights since 1999:

Quartey: rounds 6 and 12 were excellent, the rest of the fight was very tactical and pretty low on action.

Carr: pretty good fight. Carr was more competitive than expected.

Trinidad: mediocre fight in action, big dissapointment.

Coley: pretty good one-sided fight. De La Hoya was aggressive and beat him down.

Mosley I: excellent, fast-paced bout between two terrific fighters.

Gatti: entertaining one-sided beatdown.

Castillejo: this fight was pretty shitty, although I don't blame Oscar for it.

Vargas: excellent competitive, close bout. DLH's most exciting IMO.

Campas: alright, one-sided beating in a mismatch.

Mosley II: decent. It was rather low in action for the first 7-8 rounds until Mosley picked it up, and DLH fought back in return.

Sturm: pretty good fight with a lot of leather thrown.

Hopkins: mediocre fight.

Mayorga: entertaining beatdown

Mayweather: decent.

 

I believe Hopkins would have come out the cream of the crop of the fab four if he had been in that time period. Very hypothetical, but I see him taking out Hagler (by decision), and doing the same to the other, smaller ones.

I see him probably smothering Hearns and taking it to him ala Hagler. Duran is simply too small. Leonard would have been a severe test, but I can see him winning it.

Either way, that's a post for another thread.

 

uhh sorry man .. im not the one who makes him out to be anything .. its the half a million people ..."you guys" .. who keep buying this so called "non all time great" .. fighters pay per views...

leave it to the internet boys ... i dont blame you guys really ...i've seen people on here .. as well as other websites ..try to say mohamid ****ing ali aint that great...

its the world of the internet ..people can say anything on here and not regret it .. thats all

 

I'm a massive De La Hoya fan, and I'd say he's been in three "edge of your seat" type of fights over the last 10 years. I'm going to be as fair as possible with my opinion here, and not every single round of these fights were hell for leather.

Chavez II
Mosley I
Vargas

 

roy jones jr is an all time great.... why aint oscar delahoya? ...

nobody bothered to even come close to answering my post from earlier ...

sal sanchez... dead at 23 ... only big wins came agianst danny lopez... wilfredo gomez who was small ... and ****in zoom zoom .. who only had like 14 15 fights and was green as a frog ...

but hes an all time great right?... soooo tell me why oscar delahoya isnt agian?

 

I don't buy the chavez and whitaker were washed up excuse. both chavez and whitaker came to win, but they faced the better fighter that night. ask tito and oscar what they got for ****ing with "old man" hopkins:deal you have to take into account whitaker's and chavez's abuse of cocaine being a reason why they lost so much in their early thirties. If chavez and whitaker had won then they would have gotten the glory.

with that said oscar's predicament is the fact that he lost to his peers. The career of oscar will show him as an ATG top 50, but he is no legend. Those fighters are few and far between in our era. We have plenty of ATG's like:

1. Roy Jones Jr.
2. James Toney
3. Bernard Hopkins
4. Tito Trinidad
5. Shane Mosley
6. Oscar De La hoya

oscar could have become a legend if he actually koed tito, beaten mosley, and beat b-hop for the true middleweight championship. but he didn't so he could never be compared with ray leonard, ray robinson, or henry armstrong.

I slightly disagree if you put chavez, duran and whitaker as ATG then Oscar belongs on that list. oscar made over 17 title defenses in his career more than duran and more than chavez. oscar like duran won titles in four weight classes ( I don't count the wbo). While oscar is no legend I still consider him an ATG fighter for his era.

 

So you think all those fights since 1999 were exciting?

Oscar's simply not as exciting of an action fighter as you implied. He's not boring, but he's not especially exciting in terms of action.

Now the magnitude of the event is another story, when he has a big fight.

 

All the people do is make him a sellable commodity. A draw. Fans do NOT make someone an ATG because they can attract a ton.

 

And you made Floyd a Top 3 ATG by BEATING DLH? atsch

Are you even aware of how often you contradict yourself? Probably not you clueless racist ****..