Oscar De La Hoya is not an ATG.

Yeah, I liked the Vargas fight the best, then Mosley. The Chavez rematch was pretty good. De La Hoya gave Chavez more chances to land in the rematch since he fought more aggressive than usual.

 

If you don't include the WBO, De La Hoya made less than 17 title defenses.

Chavez never had a WBO belt, but made at least 25 title defenses in his career.

 

Gomez and Nelson were great fighter's. Danny Lopez was a very good fighter. Oscar never beat anybody as good as Gomez or Nelson. He had his chance against Floyd and he blew it.

 

ATG probably not. HOF definately! Just one question about the fading, aged, past his prime Whitaker (That everyone seems to point out) that DLH fought. Wasn't he (Whitaker) still regarded as the number two P4P fighter (behind Jones) at the time that DLH fought him?

 

What makes Hopkins & Jones ATG's though? WHat criteria do they meet that DLH hasn't. But if you were just asking hypothetically on them, then my bad.

 

This is where Whitaker was on The Ring's annual year end poll. This was before Whitaker had hell with Hurtado in early 1997 though, so maybe he'd be a little lower.

http://www.eastsideboxing.com/forum/showthread.php?t=10208

1996:

10) Yuri Arbachakov (11)
9) Azumah Nelson (12)
8 ) Ike Quartey (21)
7) Terry Norris (28 )
6) Ricardo Lopez (56)
5) Felix Trinidad (59)
4) Evander Holyfield (64)
3) Pernell Whitaker (92)
2) Oscar De La Hoya (107)
1) Roy Jones (123)

 

I stand corrected, chavez had a total of 26 defenses in his career, oscar 16.

 

Maybe he can become editor of The Ring with that type of criteria.

Nigel Collins ranked Evander Holyfield as the #3 heavyweight of all-time immediately following his win over Mike Tyson.

Years later he uses the ridiculously overused and illogical argument to downgrade Tyson (who is actually a favorite of Collins) and says "Tyson was never a great fighter, even in his prime, because he never beat another great fighter in his prime".

Yep, Tyson was never great, but Holyfield catapults to #3 all-time by beating him! :huh

 

Thanks. I wasn't sure.

 

Jones and Hopkins faced to many mere contenders. I happen to take the the 'degree of difficulty' approach when looking at resume's.

If DLH stayed at one or two weight class for the majority of his career and feasted on no name contender, similarly to the guy in your av, he too would have probably looked like SRR.

Now I won't say Hopkins and Jones did NOT face tough opp, just their careers are tainted, IMHO, by too much mediocre opposition.

Jones SHOULD have faced, and this is regardless of who's fault, Darius M, Vasilly, Gereld McCLellen, or Nigel Benn. They were all top fighters inor around his division. And I know it's not possible to face EVERYONE, some of these should have happened.

As for Hopkins, his resume is one of the weakest IMO. Yes he beat some good fighters, but nothing to really seperate him fomr DLH's resume.

 

While not many other posters would agree, I certianly do.

Duran made a prime Hagler look ordinary over 15 rounds with his cute defensive work from the outside behind the jab, mixed in with the odd right hand. Leonard's movement and ring generalship combined with combinations edged out Hagler. Hopkins has the toughness to match Hagler when the going got tough, but his tactical awareness and outside work would be the key areas for victory. I pick Hopkins via decision.

Hearns' boxing ability and right hand are weapons Hopkins would struggle with, no question. But Hopkins had a better defense than Hearns. Sure, Hopkins has nothing more than respectable power, not chilling, but enough to stop Hearns during the late rounds. I also believe Hopkins has the chin to hold up under Hearns' right hand. Hopkins late stoppage.

Leonard would present Hopkins with the toughest challenge. He maybe never had Hearns' power, or Hagler's strength, but he had "know now". Leonard could take a punch, and knew when to strike, and when to defend. He was a very well balanced thinking fighter, very much like Hopkins himself. Leonard would look to get inside, like he did against Hearns' in their first fight, but he'd find Hopkins too cute. Leonard would say after the fight "This guy is like Hearns and Hagler in one body, he's got the height and reach like Tommy, nice jabs as well, and once inside he was strong just like Marvin was, he deserved the decision tonight". Hopkins via decision.

Too strong in all areas for Duran. Im not saying for one minute Duran wouldn't be competitive, because he sure would. He never took Hagler 15 rounds with smoke and mirrors, as he fought a fine fight. But Hopkins was much taller than Hagler, who stood at 5'9" compared to Hopkins' 6'1". Hopkins' had Hagler's defensive ability at long range, and a bit more. If Duran dared close the distance, he'd get cracked with uppercuts, and straight right hands. One thing is for certain, If Hagler can beat Duran in 3rd gear with a cautious approach your damn sure Hopkins can do the same. Hopkins via decision.

 

Totally bias as you are not a true fair minded boxing fan!!
Where are you getting the statistics that has 80% of people saying that he really lost to Quartey. "Those people" are are not really boxing
fans!! Oscar won that fight in the 12th with the little beat down he gave Quartey in the only exciting round of that fight.Robbery my ass!! Whitaker clowned around and landed what appeared to be punches but if you slow the fight down it is evident he wasn't landing ****. Oscar knotted up Pea's eye pretty good. No controversey there either. Beat Mosely in their second fight by being the better and quicker boxer and was robbed. Gave Tito a boxing lesson and had him confused all nite. He ran the last three rounds but was ahead comfortably, a close loss you say,give me a ****in' break guy!! It was a huge Gift for Tito and he knew it because he cried like a baby after the decision was announced. I give you Sturm, Oscar looked like **** and out of shape but still was able to hurt Sturm and make it close.
The man has never duck any fighter so, for you to even mention that is ridiculous. People seem to forget that during the nineties Oscar fought and beat the top two Welters in Tito and Ike. but of course the man will always be criticized for the way he chooses to win fights.:think