Oscar De La Hoya is not an ATG.

If De La Hoya won that fight, it was by the skin of his teeth in the 12th, and being generous to him.

 

true...but fighting every possible decent good..great fighter of your era DOES

like i said ..its the internet ...i've heard people down every great fighter that ever lived ....what else would you guys have to talk about .. the first 3 years was spent bullshitting about how great the greats are ...last 3 years have been spent bullshitting about how the greats were over rated....
now im just waiting for the

what would happen if "insert great fighter" ..didnt have a left arm or a right testical .. then what....
threads to start up

 

I don't agree with Tito being ahead of Oscar, in every true boxing fans eyes, Oscar beat Tito and IMO had a better performance against Hopkins before throwing the fight. He has never ducked anyone so for anyone to even say that is out of whacked.

 

It's not only a matter of FIGHTING them, but beating them as well. DLH's record against his peers shows he's closer to their level, then way above them. And whether you take this as an excuse or what, the shape of the opponent is taken into consideration as well.

 

Well said. That is essentially my take on it, also.

 

As I said earlier, De La Hoya is one of my favourite fighters of all time. Is he an ATG?. Yes, but not a top tier ATG like Leonard, Duran, Robinson, Pep, Whitaker, Ali, Armstrong, etc. Too many questionable decisions throughout his career either way to be among the very elite ATG's.

But he's won titles in 5 different divisions, and fought the very best of his era. If your going to lose, make sure its against other ATG fighters. De La Hoya wasn't beaten by an Iran Barkley like Hearns was in 1988.

De La Hoya has had a very confusing and debatable career. Quartey, Trinidad, Sturm, Mosley I and II, Mayweather. All reasonably close fights, depending who you are out there.

 

Haha, your post was beaming with oscarsexuality and when you said "Oscar looked like **** and out of shape but still was able to hurt Sturm and make it close" it just confirmed it. You are being more bias than anyone in here. To you, every close Oscar fight is a win for him and anytime he loses a close fight it's a pure robbery.

I agree that Oscar is not an "ATG" fighter in that he's not a top 100 p4p atg.. just a fighter who was elite at an impressive number of weight classes, had a great resume, and put up many good efforts, even in his losses. His popularity helped his career in a huge way and will make legacy better, which is unfair to many great fighters that didn't get fame, but oh well.

 

So hang on. You're a "true boxing fan", but you believe for some odd reason Oscar would throw a fight (any fight), when he's already getting tens of millions each time out? Hmm, I'd like to hear your logic. Anyone who believes Oscar threw the fight is a ****ing idiot. It would make absolutely no sense for him to do that, at all. A win over Hopkins would have been tremendous.

 

Come on, Oscar didn't throw the fight.

Quit? Maybe. He'd hardly be the first fighter to quit in a fight, especially an accomplished (and rich) fighter on the downside or latter portion of his career.

But throwing the fight? Come on now.

 

To actually THROW a fight, he has to have a shot at winning. He had none IMHO.

What I think is he took the fall and stayed down.

 

De La Hoya against Hopkins. The only fight in his entire career in which I never gave him much of a chance.

 

A win is still a win, bro. how many boxers win by the skin of their teeth and it is accepted but if it is Oscar getting by everybody starts getting on him for the way he won the fight. Every fighter should be allowed to win a fight the way he feels is the best way to beat his opponent. You guys should be getting on Mayweather more often, I don't think the man has ever stood in there and slugged it out with any of his opponent!

 

I'm talking about people suggesting that De La Hoya clearly beat Quartey because of the 12th. That is simply ridiculous, and you have to be generous to DLH in the scoring to give him the fight.

Then apparently you haven't watched enough of Mayweather.

 

If Hearns can lose to Leonard, and draw, lose to Hagler inside three rounds, then get knocked out and also lose a decision to Barkley. He aint much better than De La Hoya.

Note: Don't come back and say Hearns' was robbed against Leonard in their rematch, because someone could say De La Hoya really beat Trinidad. Lets deal with facts.

De La Hoya's defeats

Trinidad
Mosley x2
Hopkins
Mayweather

Hearns defeats/draws.

Leonard
Leonard draw
Hagler
Barkley x2.

One of Hearns biggest wins was against Duran, who was at least 4 years past his prime. He was around the same age as Chavez when De La Hoya beat him inside 4 rounds, and Chavez was equally as past his prime as Duran was, no question.


I really need to laugh when people say De La Hoya was not an ATG, Im not saying he was a top tier ATG, but give him some credit.

 

so by that logic .. 70 % of legit all time greats ...arent even all time greats...lovely