Oscar De La Hoya is not an ATG.

If you're the greatest ever in a traditional weight class like lightweight, you're pretty much already granted ATG status. Duran was already the fighter of the 70s and arguably the greatest lightweight ever before all the fights with the Fab 4.

 

Hagler's biggest wins. All oppnents moving up in weight. Hearns, Duran, Mugabi, Leonard.

Hopkins was never taken the distance with anyone as small as Duran, who stood at 5'7" and was 25lbs above his prime weight. Leonard and Hearns were damn fine middleweights, but were clearly in their primes at 147/154lbs, no question about it. And once Mugabi was handed his ass he wasn't long in moving back down again where he belonged.

Im not saying you disagree, but just making the comparison with Hopkins' career.

And one thing for certain, Trinidad and Hearns had around the same power at 160lbs, and don't tell me Hearns was bigger than Trinidad on the nights then shared rings with Hagler and Hopkins.

 

the same people that say oscar isnt an all time great are the same cats who jump on stupid bandwagons of undeafeated fighters then hop right back off at the closes sight of a loss

the internet boxing fan will not tolorate loseing...what with god mode fight night 3 they can just sign on and beat the computer to a pulp and prove their greatness

 

There isn't anything odd about throwing a fight, buddy it has been done before and for u to be so closed minded in that sense isn't very logical on yout part. ( I heard Hopkins staged that shoving incident with Winky during their pre-fight press conference so things like that do happen) And win over Oscar is a tremendous victory on his resume and for his title defense streak at that time. Oscar probably also felt that since Hopkins was coming on strong, he would avoid a further beating and decided to take a dive. And remember how they became the best of buddies after their fight. And their must be a alot of idiots out there because that was a tap shot to Oscar's body. I'd say that is pretty logical. :hey

 

Time for bed. And i'll say a closing statement. Too much goes on when looking through the magnifying glass at fighters careers. Its just a joke at times. Marvin Hagler, one of the greatest fighters of the last 30 years, and generally considered by some as the greatest middleweight of all time. Yet, his career can be brought down as well. Enough said.

"He never fought this guy", "he ducked this guy", "he was robbed by the judges", "no way did he fight him in his prime", "he was knocked out easy". Dont look too much into it and be so critical everyone.

 

No. But if that's what you think, go nuts. :good

 

I forgot you are the guy that has Oscar's dick so far up his ass that every thing you write about includes Oscar, even when it is about another fighter. I hear everyone ridicules you and considers you a *****. Stay off the man's dick will you. You are a disgrace the way you are always talking about Oscar and not to mention unprofessional. Get a clue Jackass!:good

 

I root against DLH but think he is a Hall of Famer and ATG.

 

I have watched enough to see that he's is a runner and not a fighter

 

That's just dumb.

 

I'm not talking about him being tenative or defensive. I don't have much of a problem with it.

I'm talking about people saying Oscar won the Quartey fight clearly because of the 12th. That's ridiculous scoring.

 

He had a chance in my opinion but felt Hopkins getting stronger and a beating coming on when he wasn't able to hurt Hopkins so decided to just fall with whatever came his way. That's my opinion on it.

 

I agree, if duran who had an average career from 1980 until 1998 is afforded ATG status then hoya deserves that distinction as well. I have duran top 30 oscar would be top 50. where you place them is a matter of opinion.

both would have been legendary if they had won all of their big fights

 

When people say "throwing the fight", I take it as what Bruce Willis was supposed to do in Pulp Fiction, or the guy in The Set-Up. Going into the fight planning to go down or lose for profit, or whatever.

Trying hard to win but losing your confidence or whatever and then quitting, I don't think of as "throwing a fight". It just means you gave up, or your opponent took your heart, etc...

 

Duran had a good 6 year stretch as the lightweight champion and is considered by many #1 in a traditional weight class. That pretty much gets him all-time great status alone.

Is any fighter top 3 or so in a traditional weight class and not an ATG? I can't think of anyone off the top of my head.