Oscar De La Hoya is not an ATG.

Maybe it was because the whole fight was a bore up until that round.
IMO it was a close fight but the decision was just and it should take away what Oscar had to do to when the fight. Mostly everyone points to that round as the defining factor of the fight.

 

Being a bore doesn't make the decision just.

After 5, it's either 3-2 Oscar, 2-2-1, or 3-2 Ike. Let's go with 3-2 Oscar. Quartey wins round 6, because he controlled the round after the 2 knockdowns. That's 3-3 after 6. Oscar did hardly anything from rounds 7 thru 11. Both guys mainly stared at each other and threw jabs, but Ike did more work. If Oscar won 2 rounds clearly in that stretch of 7 thru 11, let me know which rounds and what he actually did in those rounds to win them clearly. Ike is up 7-4, and then 114-113 after the 12th.

If Oscar deserved the decision, it was by the skin of his teeth, AND being generous to him. That requires giving him 3 of the first 5 and 2 from rouds 7 thru 11, both of which is giving him the benefit of the doubt. This was probably the easiest of DLH's controversial fights to score, unlike say his fight with Whitaker, which was a nightmare to score (I had it even).

Ken Morita's card was disgraceful, but he should've been banned 9 years earlier when he had Tyson beating Douglas 87-86 after 9. His scoring in Tokyo was one of the worst scorecards ever.

DLH winning a narrow one is one thing, but saying he clearly won it is bull****, much like people saying Tito definitely deserved to win over Oscar because of the last 3 rounds, while scoring it for Tito requires giving him the benefit of the doubt in every close round.

 

no argument from me, oscar and duran are ATG but I wouldn't consider them legendary. if duran had went 4-0 against his peers after leaving 135 and oscar had won all of his big fights there would be no questioning their status as two of the best of all-time. but they didn't so they are just ATG fighters, duran at lightweight and oscar well how would you rank oscar all-time per weightclass.

 

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In the words of Money Mayweather......YEP!!! I was thinking about making an identical post like this one but since you did it I won't even bother anymore.

 

I see alot of uncertainties in your arguement. How can they stare at each other throughout those rounds you mentioned but have Ike out work Oscar, doesn't make any sense. Tell me how many combos Ike threw throughout the fight? It was basically one punch at a time and not many landed. Oscar threw combos and pressed the action more than Ike throughout the fight but also didn't land many.Judges liked what they saw in the 12th and they considered it a defining factor. What you are basically is saying is that you are scoring the fight for Ike base on him just staring at Oscar and being ineffective but yet you still think he won those rounds.:huh What I saw was one guy pressing the action and throwing combos and the other throwing one punch at a time. Both fighters were in effective at times and it made for a boring fight. Oscar was down once and Ike was down twice and clearly outlanded in the 12th round and showed that he wanted it more. I really don't know how you can say that Ike did more when he showed nothing in trying to take the belt from Oscar. Everyone is always saying that you must go after and defeat the champ decisively but instead it was the champ going after the challenger. I can't break the whole fight down for you but I am just telling you what I remember.

 

De La Hoya wins 10th, 11th, and the 12th. I thought he clearly won the 10th, and the 11th a little closer. Lets say On my card he wins those last three rounds, he would only need to win two other rounds in the first 9 to get a draw, depending how you score the 6th.

You can easily say De La Hoya won the fight based on the 12th round as many people could have had Quarety up by a point at that stage.

The only part of the fight Quartey dominates, 7th, 8th, 9th.

 

A traditional weight class meaning not a junior weight division. The traditional weight classes have more history.

135 is a traditional weight class. 130 and 140 have some nice history, but not as much as a traditional weight class like 135 or 147 or 160. It hasn't been around as long.

168 and cruiserweight are not even close in history to divisions like 140, let alone a traditional weight class.

 

The "challenger has to win the rounds by wider margins and take it from the champ" is just a myth. It's a saying and supposed to be an unwritten rule, but judges are not trained to do so, and plenty of fighters over the years have won close fights while being the challenger. Both guys were tenative, Ike landed the better, cleaner shots and did the better work in 7 rounds on my card.

I never said it was a gift, and like I said, you have to be rather generous to Oscar to score the fight for him. It requires giving him 3 of the first 5 and 2 rounds from 7 thru 11.

My problem is not with those who merely scored it for Oscar, but those who say he clearly won because of the 12th. It was a close fight that could've easily gone to Quartey. There was nothing clear about it at all.

 

Could Oscar be an ATG now only if he had beaten Mayrunner?

 

Chavez was only 33 years old!

 

Life-and-death?

Tito suffered a flash KD in round 2 (as he often did), and then gradually beat Carr up. The fight wasn't close.

Although De La Hoya never got dropped, he had more trouble throughout the fight with Carr than Tito or Ike did with him. Carr was way more competitive with Oscar than expected.

 

I still think it was a good solid win for Oscar though.

The first fight, that is.

 

i agree 100%. oscar is defintely not an ATG.

 

If Oscar would have beaten Floyd, he would have been an ATG and it would have put a stamp on his legacy.