On the flipside, Oscar at his best would have defeated all of Floyd's opposition and I don't see Floyd defeating a peak Vargas at 154 or a peak Quartey, Trinidad, Mosely at 147.... Oscar isn't an ATG, but you could never say that about Floyd on here. I consider Floyd a top 75 ATG, he's always been consistent, but sometimes views can vary back and forth and if Floyd really steps up these last few years, then he can become a top 30 depending, so let's hope he doesn't taint himself.
Yes, Oscar against Floyd's first 37 opponents would have gone 37-0. I'm not so sure Floyd would have gone undefeated if he faced Oscar's opposition.
But Floyd's shown great consistency, still has time. I dislike hearing that he is a Top 50 ATG though.
His resume has gone down as well, because he didn't 'ruin' anybody, but most of his big wins have turned out a little more sour than originally thought through further competition, namely Castillo, Judah, Corrales, Jesus Chavez and so on. And then DLH is just past it and you have your pissy fight vs. Baldomir. Add to the fact that I thought Castillo beat him first time around and to the fact that the event was what made Castillo overrated as a fighter as well, even though he was an elite by his own right. If Floyd would have frankly ruined them the night he fought and then they showed immediate degrade after that(Trinidad/Vargas type you know), then that would more applicable, but what ruined Castillo and Corrales were each other and their brutal epic and then Jesus Chavez has been plagued by injury but he's certainly not a phenominal win. I'll tell you what though, a green Floyd dominating Hernandez is something you can never downgrade.... I hope the kid buckles down and beats his contemporaries, or history is not going to be kind to him.
Hes an ATG, wether some like it or not, if he had receive the victory over Tito(Who he clearly beat) against Mosley the second time around, there would be no questions but since these bogus decisions were made some are still questionning ...and the fact that he LOST to sturm to.... but sturm is a middleweight
A lot of boxing people say Oscars career defining fight was his win over Vargas. not so. In the 3 fights before Oscar Vargas had been knocked down 5 times, even knocked down by weak hitting Rivera, wobbled repeatedly in his win against journeyman Shibata flores the he fought Oscar .. and when the fight was stopped even 1 judge had Vargas ahead by 3. Oscar stepped up 5 times in his career to fight the very best, the elite. AND HE LOST ALL 5. He has never unified. ATG ... no. But a damn good fighter.
Hopfuly DHL wont be considered an ATG the only reason dat could happen is because so many people like him
moronic predictions hopkins couldn't knock out hearns ! If anyone gets ko'd in that fight it would be hopkins
Yes he could. Hopkins hits harder than Leonard at middleweight, and he had Hearns all over the place on two seperate occassions during their rematch at super-middleweight. And Hagler KO'd Hearns inside three rounds. Hopkins hits harder than Leonard, and is on par with Hagler when it comes to power. If Hearns could not seriously hurt Hagler, the chances are very slim when it comes to denting Hopkins' chin. Lets not forget, Barkley smashed Hearns into the canvas as well. We shall never know, but logical evidence clearly supports my judgement.
Good post, Amsterdam. Oscar, I think, is good for boxing, but the points you make are accurate. I would just like to add that I had him losing to Trinidad by a point and the Vargas he beat was pretty much damaged goods after Trinidad brutalised him.
