Oscar De La Hoya never beat a top fighter - True or False

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  1. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I post this every couple of years just for the sake of argument. I like to think I am one of the more neutral posters on this site, so I have no agenda when I say this, it's just something I believe.

    Without going into huge detail (but will if needed) I don't think ODLH every beat a top tier fighter. He certainly beat fighters that were considered great at one point of their career like Sweet Pea, and Vargas, Chavez, etc. and he maybe (probably?) deserved the nod against Tito, though at the time he fought these people I don't think he ever beat what we would call an "A" fighter.

    His best win is arguably against Ike Quartey in my opinion.

    My opinion hardly matters, as DLH was easily the biggest gate earner for any non-heavy ever, and most of the matches he was in were great events and I enjoyed watching his fights.
     
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  2. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Whitaker was P4P #1 and the welterweight champ when Oscar beat him. :good

    The only A level guys he fought in his prime he got cheated like Mosley and Tito.
     
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  3. FloydPatterson

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    You Are Right. You said what I was to afraid to. Sometimes I think that Some big wins were taken from him Like Mosley 2.
     
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  4. Money

    Money Boxing Addict Full Member

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    yes...when they were past prime.
     
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  5. cpnasty

    cpnasty Fight Fan 83 Full Member

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    IMO he lost to Whitaker. He got knocked down, missed all night, and got outlanded. But, IMO he beat Tito. Tito was obviously a top fighter.
     
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  6. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/The_Ring_Magazine's_Annual_Ratings:_1997


    This says DLH was 1 and Sweet Pea was 4, not that that's a bad thing. I do think this is his closest to a big time win, though it hurts that Pea didn't fight much after this. I'll have to think about it more.
     
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  7. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    So it was Oscar's glove making a "whoosh" noise in the air that closed Whitaker's eye?
     
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  8. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I agree with this as well. I guess I'm just going by wins on "paper" though at the end of the day he made more of the paper that matters, maybe the second most in boxing history?
     
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  9. standing 8countboxing

    standing 8countboxing Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I mentioned this in my original post. He beat a lot of greats, but never in their prime (imo, which is being changed by the post, lol)
     
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  10. cpnasty

    cpnasty Fight Fan 83 Full Member

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    Take a look at the punch stats. Not to mention, neither guy looked good when they had that sit down with Lampley a week later. All Oscar did is give the air a beating. ****, Rivera did better against Whitaker than Oscar did. Let that had been reversed and all the Oscarsexuals and females would have been crying foul.
     
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  11. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    I really don't need punch stats telling me what was landed and what wasn't. Thats what has ruined the amateur system.
     
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  12. cpnasty

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    Vargas wasn't a great fighter, but I consider that as Oscar's greatest win. Had Oscar not ran against Tito, he would have had his true moment.
     
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  13. JM22

    JM22 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Quartey, Tito, Vargas and Mosley were all TOP fighters, don't know what DLH fights have you watch.
     
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  14. WhataRock

    WhataRock Loyal Member Full Member

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    Headclashes.
     
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  15. bronx

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    True

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