Oscar De La Hoya to GGG: Fight Canelo Or I'll Find Someone Else!

Amazing, all that evidence and you're still trying to spin and deny Canelo's refusal. And yes it is refusal, the WBC explicitly said so:

"[Canelo was removed from our rankings] because he refused to sign up for the Clean Boxing Program as stated in the rules," Sulaiman said.

He was asked to, and he said he wouldn't via De La Hoya and Golden Boy. That's a refusal.

The logical fallacy you're promoting is that because people are paranoid about Canelo, he's allowed to refuse VADA 365 drug testing which is required by the WBC and which GGG is on.

That's a non sequitur.

You don't like the fact that Canelo refused to be VADA 365 tested and you're trying to spin it and sow confusion as you can't defend it. You still haven't answered the original question: why hasn't Canelo signed up for VADA 365, and why is GBP trying to use this as a bargaining counter against GGG?

 

It's me who doesn't like the fact that Canelo refused to be VADA 365 tested? Really? Then why are you the one complaining and carrying on about it and asking me why he hasn't signed up for VADA 365?

I obviously and clearly haven't been the one upset that Canelo isn't enrolled in VADA. The dislike of that fact is clearly coming from the Golovkin fans / Canelo haters.

 

You're using word games again.

Of course I don't like the fact that Canelo refused - I never said anything to the contrary. In fact I dislike it very much as you rightly point out.

But that is not the question.

I should expect all boxing fans to dislike that fact. Do you like the fact that Canelo isn't being tested right now? Do you like the fact that Canelo was stripped by the WBC? I should hope not!

You can't defend this refusal so you tried to deny it. You still haven't answered the question:

This content is protected

 

On this point, it's important to note that in the first fight, Canelo refused to fight for the WBC belt while fully enrolled in VADA testing. Canelo's beef (no pun intended lol) with the WBC had zero to do with drug testing. It had to do with being dictated to by the WBC and given a 15 day timetable back in 2016 to agree to terms of a Golovkin fight arranged by the WBC which caused (forced) him to vacate the belt.

Now it appeared that Canelo and the WBC were on better terms heading into the rematch prior to the clenbuterol story coming out, and it was even reported that Canelo would fight for the WBC Title this time around before the **** hit the fan.

So no, the recent action by the WBC shows that Canelo isn't allowed to refuse VADA 365 as far as the WBC is concerned. He was satisfying the terms of the WBC CBP via the VADA drug testing in the Golovkin contract.

Once that contract became void and he was suspended, then all of a sudden he wasn't required to be enrolled VADA, and Sulaiman was being pressured by the media to force additional testing on him as per CBP protocols and remove him from the rankings. I agree that it would be a good PR move for Canelo to have agreed to VADA 365 random testing obviously, however he is not required to do that, nor is he being allowed to refuse VADA 365 without consequence.

 

He's not legally obliged. But after he said he would do everything to prove himself clean he is morally obliged to sign up.

If we assume he's clean, it's utterly stupid to refuse VADA 365 testing when Golovkin is already on it anyway.

And it's despicable for GBP to try to use it as a bargaining counter.

 

No it can't be proven but seeing as he's been busted for a banned substance - whatever the mitigation might be - it's a reasonable suspicion. Only someone who is truly stupid would claim it's not reasonable to suspect a boxer who has failed a drugs test might be cycling while out of a testing program...

 

It's not a reasonable suspicion when there is a well known meat contamination issue in the country.

 

So why did he risk eating it, if the issue is so well-known? I mean, only someone who is truly stupid can't objectively observe the inherent contradiction of the 'tainted meat defence'....

 

That's a fair point, that he should have been more careful about what he ate. I don't live in Mexico and I don't know specifically what he ate that may have had clenbuterol in it. It may have been something as simple as he was just at the baseball game and Bill Clinton ordered some food and not to be rude to Bill Clinton he took a bite and the food had clenbuterol in it.

Not being careful enough about avoiding meat is not inherently suspicious. They are two completely different adjectives.

 

Shadow111 is quite right. For all we know Bill Clinton ordered Taco y Clenbuterolo and Canelo, being innocent as a baby, ate it without noticing the radioactive miasma surrounding it.

Or, here's another equally plausible scenario: some roided burglars broke into Canelo's house, and just as they were swigging their Clen Cola, the alarm went off. They put the cola on the counter, and made their escape only seconds before Canelo came around the corner yawning, in his furry bunny slippers. But now, Canelo is up, he's thirsty, it's dark, he finds the Clen Cola on the counter and unknowingly drinks it all.

There we go.

Through no fault of his own, he ingested a huge dose of peds.

And now everybody says he's a cheat. Sad.

 

Yeah, only 80% of folks thought that GGG won. You served him real good!

 

Golovkin should get his hands the custom "wrap of stone" should he ever fight Canelo again

Against a prime, younger, ROIDED fighter with SPECIAL judges and custom handwraps? NAH, say it ain't so!

Clenello already ducked the rematch.

 

Canelo will probably end up getting 1-shotted by a Lemieux type sooner or later

 

He served himself by exaggerating the % to such a degree. And that's not counting several people who had Canelo winning that weren't added to that list.

 

Boxing is a combat sport, people get punched in the face. Hard. Fighters have lost their lives because of the inherent dangers. So even if it was down to tainted meat - and I'm not convinced - I would want better assurances that the fighter is now clean. But what does ODLH say in this video? 'As soon as the fight is made, Canelo will sign up to drugs testing'. He couldn't project 'I don't give a f**k' better if he tried.

My gut feeling when you look at all the aspects is he is likely a drugs cheat who got caught:

1. His rise through the weight divisions
2. His almost superhuman ability to gain llbs after the weigh-in
3. Actually failing a test
4. Scant regard for the responsibility of strict liability with regards to PEDs by eating tainted meat, if that was the case or by cycling clenbuterol
5. Hitting harder the more he moves up in weight, which bucks the trend of people leaving their power behind in the weight class below.
6. PED use in boxing is commonplace, we all know that

Not proof, agreed but grounds for 'reasonable suspicion' as I said above.

I actually blame the way failed drug tests are dealt with. The length of bans are almost meaningless if they are measured in months not years. To me, boxers who fail tests should be made to sign up to all-year-round testing for a defined period, in and out of fight camps. And Canelo would have no problem with that. Right?

Anyone who knows me here, knows I'm no GGG nuthugger but in this case, and for this fight should it ever happen, I want Canelo beaten. But all this controversy delays the rematch until GGG is in his 38th year, more than likely. Talk about turning a negative into a positive... test.