Oscar De La Hoya vs Felix Trinidad

A lot more than flashy antics .. he broke or at least cracked Oscar's ribs !! I know I'm in the minority, I guess I give more weight on power and damaging shots ... Like when Hearns got robbed in Hearns/Leonard 2. A draw my ass!! Hearns knocked him down twice!!

 

Or Hagler/Leonard .. I agree with the sd for Leonard as I would equally agree with an sd for hagler or a draw .. but a 118-110 for Leonard by JoJo Guerra ... no way in hell !!

 

The problem is those corrupt judges actually gave Oscar some of the late rounds he was accused of throwing away lol There was no logic to the official cards.

 

lara vs canelo was very similar to dlh vs trinidad but whereas dlh gassed, lara finished strong.

 

pete got robbed. He was the champ and had a bs made up rule pt taken. Incidental butt and he got a point taken away? lol............the only consistant punch landed in that fight was petes jab. He won.

 

Not a robbery at all. Close fight. Oscar really **** the bed when he got into deep water.

 

I remember having a bunch of people at my house to watch it. I had a pool to pick winner and how, and the one jerk who put money down and wasnt a boxing fan picked Tito by decision... I had Oscar by decision.

I thought I had it sewn up and looked like a genius to everyone until that decision was announced. This ****er took his money and left the party ahahhahaa

 

I thought DLH won but I've seen much worse robberies. Nothing beats Coggi-Gonzalez 1. Gonzalez didn't merely win 7 or 8 rounds out of 12, he didn't merely win 12 out of 12 rounds, he would have won by TKO or DQ (by any non-corrupt officiating) on 3 different occasions and still managed to lose the fight.

DLH made Trinidad look pretty lousy and flat-footed for much of the fight. Tito had all kinds of issues with the jab, straight right, and especially the movement.

Round 1 was a feel-out round and no one really did anything. DLH won rounds 2 and 3. Round 4 was close, I remember Oscar doing more good work with his jab, and Tito landing the best punch of the round with a left hook upstairs.

Oscar won rounds 5-7 IMO. I don't think it was as dominating as people (like Jim Lampley) have made it out to be, as he (and the crowd) would go crazy over flurries that often caught gloves. But it was still better work than Trinidad.

Round 8 was close, I remember Tito landing the best punch of the round late, with a left hook. But Oscar was backing up and was able to take some of the sting away from it. Round 9 is when Oscar started to retreat more, but I thought he definitely did the better work, with nice flurries to the body early in the round, and straight rights to close the round. People have said Oscar gave away the final 4 rounds, but Oscar to me clearly landed the better shots in the 9th. Tito has a stronger case for the 8th than 9th IMO.

Oscar's corner has gotten lots of flack for their instructions, but at least from what was shown on HBO, I didn't see them telling him to just stay away. They told him "box, box, box". Oscar went on the retreat more in the 10th, but still threw quite a bit, although many of the shots were flurries and arm punches. The HBO cameras shows DLH's corner telling him "no more rounds like that", and "make sure they know you won the round".

Oscar was certainly playing more stay-away in the final 2 rounds, and that's where he really did the running. Rounds 9 and 10 get exaggerated with how much Oscar was playing safe and staying away. Oscar has said he was tired and his legs were shaking, so maybe he did what he felt he had to do? Trinidad's not someone you want to trade with when you are fatigued and your legs are shaking.

I wonder if there was some "make up" scorecards here, because of the scorecards that had gone Oscar's way in the past. It wasn't just the decisions, it was the amount he won by. 2 judges had him beating Whitaker 9-3. Oscar could have lost the 12th round against Quartey and still not lost the fight. When you look at that fight and see how little Oscar did from rounds 7 thru 11, after the big 6th round when both guys went down, it's pretty ridiculous that Ike could have won the 12th round and still not won the fight. Then for Tito, there's some crazy cards against Oscar. One judge gave Oscar the last round, and still had Trinidad winning.

I also think about this in regards to the big fight in two weeks. Lots of people are saying that no way GGG can win a decision in a close fight, and look at some of the scorecards that have favored Canelo in the past. People thought the same thing leading to Oscar-Tito.

 

in a superfight you don't sit and think you had it won, especially if you are not the aggressor. I think he won, but scoring is tricky.

 

I scored the 1st round Even.The 2nd Round either way. Oscar won round 3. Trinidad won round 4. DelaHoya took 5, 6,7 and 8. Though some of those were closer than people realize because if you go back and watch them Oscar didn't fight at all for large portions of the round. He was moving too much. There is a fine line between running and boxing Oscar was over that line most of the night. Then ofcourse Trinidad sweep the last 4 round of the fight. Tito didn't look good but I thought it was justice because at least he came to fight.

 

I agree with you. Yes indeed he built a huge lead early in the fight, but he coasted too much in the Championship Rounds'. He seemed to go into a "survival mode" in the late rds in the fight, though he wasn't seriously hurt with anything. That cost him.

 

Oscar won but he really blew it way he fought last 4 rounds. I scored it 7-5 I think or 8-4 can't remember

 

Hope nobody minds me bumping this one. Thought it might be worth a bit of extra probing as tomorrow marks the twentieth anniversary of this notorious fight. Twenty years....Damn.

Revisited the fight recently and scored it, not for the first time. Cards on the table - I still can't see how anyone could reasonably score this to Trinidad outright. Looking across my last couple of scorecards for the fight, I'd say both men had three rounds apiece which were (or at least should have been) absolutely beyond dispute and in the bank on any scorecard: 3, 6 and 8 for De la Hoya, and 10, 11 and 12 for Trinidad.

Outside of that, though, I think De la Hoya still has rounds which, while they weren't dominant, I'd still score to him more or less every time I watched (and have done on my last two viewings), those being rounds 2 and 9. I don't really see any of those rounds for Trinidad, meaning outside of the last three rounds where De la Hoya just wasn't engaging, there aren't any rounds I could confidently call in Tito's favour.

So that leaves the possible swing rounds (in my opinion, anyway) being 1, 4, 5 and 7. On the last two times I've watched the fight I've scored round 1 even on both occasions, and by chance I've scored rounds 4, 5 (probably a little kind to Trinidad) and 7 to either man once apiece. I think you'd have to be actively looking to give Trinidad rounds to score all of these in his favour (same goes for Oscar, mind you). I'd have serious misgivings about the impartiality of anyone who scored all of those swing rounds in one guy's favour. I'd struggle to be any kinder to Trinidad than giving him three out of those four swing rounds, but even then that only gives him a draw, with most of his rounds being won simply because De la Hoya was pawing while Trinidad seemed to have a bit more intent (though seldom landing with any quality) or because Oscar was running in the last three.

And that's one of my gripes here - Trinidad's performance must be amongst the most underwhelming to ever achieve victory in a fight of this magnitude. There was very little quality in anything he did even in the rounds he won which, as I say, were at best debatable in the early stages, and just as much a result of Oscar's tactical error near the end. I could maybe see a draw if Trinidad was given all the benefit of the doubt that you could give him, but generally I think Oscar by a couple or so feel right (I had it 116-113 a few months back and 115-114 this time).

De la Hoya did disappoint with how he finished the fight, but that doesn't legitimise dodgy judging, and there are some aspects of the scoring in this fight which seem a little off. Trinidad just couldn't land in round 2, yet all three judges scored it to him. I'd struggle to see how two of them scored the eighth to Trinidad as well; De la Hoya took the initiative in that round, started targeting the body well (barely a body punch by either man until that point) and strung some accurate combinations together which Tito couldn't get set against to counter. And Logist somehow giving the last round to De la Hoya when he didn't engage at all just smells of a guy panicking a little and knowing that he has to make his card a little closer to avoid scrutiny - sadly for him, Oscar didn't produce a grandstand finish and so him giving the last round to De la Hoya seems totally inexplicable.

As I said, in terms of performances which have won superfights, Trinidad's here must be amongst the most unimpressive. De la Hoya should have kicked himself all the way back to East LA after this one. His defining moment was there for the taking and, though he still won in my opinion, he shied away from it somewhat, rather than grabbing it with both hands.