Oscar dominating or comfortably beating tito = big myth

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its was clearly de la hoya's, he made trinidad look basic as hell, his movement, ring generalship and EFFECTIVE punching were well beyond anything trinidad could muster

 

Hmmm, kind of right but, what does the part of "effective punching" mean? That usually tells it had an effect in your body... it hurts.... I mean, usually, doesn't it??

:good:heyAbsolutely this, Thank You!!!!

 

So many were taken in by what journalist and commentary wrote and said things like Oscar won the first 8 rounds but gave away the last 4 etc, as I recall being said.
I had Oscar as a clear winner as I recall, and will score again, but what I do want to know is how did anyone score round 9 to Tito? Clear Oscar round in my opinion.

De La Hoya won that fight on great boxing

 

RIGHT!!! He was so surprised that when he was lifted at the end of the fight he was yelling to everybody and the cameras that he won, pointing his finger at his own saying repeatedly "Yo Ganè!"

Anyways, not that it matters too much but we all know here that if a boxer is not white he's not good enough for u to get the W!! TITO WON!!! Take that !!!

 

Yo Just Rik, how to feel about Harold Lederman's scoring? Cause the way he scores seems to have a similar criteria to yours. He prefers hard punches and moving forward. If you're moving around the purpose is to throw effective punches (varying your angles) not just avoid getting hit. I'd say Pacquiao is good example of this. He seems to consider effective aggression to be landing the heavier shots but failing that it's the guy whoes making the other guy back up (provided he's not hitting him as he's moving backwards. I think I've heard him call it 'making the fight'. How do you interpret 'defense' as a scoring criteria?
I think most casual fans instinctively feel that the winner is the one who hurt the other guy more and I think this will always be the instinct to scoring fights. My instinct is to almost ignore flurries that don't move the guy and watch for punches that move the head, body shots can be a bit harder to tell if it was actually a hard\effective punch even if it lands clean cause most pros can't take some hard body shots and not wince, at least in the beginning. It should be made clear that hard punches that don't seem to be hurting 'durable' fighter are still scoring shots.

 

I'm watching the fight now and I've gotta say a lot of Oscar's punches that HBO claim are 'hard' didn't really land. A layman watching the fight would think Oscar was scared of Tito's power. To win with the 'quick flurry the move' strategy you better not be getting hit back with hard single shots. Don't get me wrong Oscar did land some good punches but so did Tito. Oscar needed to either mix it up more with power punches or get hit less. Personally looking back I think Oscar's power was overhyped, Tito had noticeably more power. Oscar's short left hook seems to me to been so dangerous cause it caught guys by surprise.

 

No, Oscar hit hard with that hook. He was just too scared to stand and deliver a powerful one against Tito.

 

Oh it was definitely a hard effective punch I just don't think it was one of the top 3 hardest punches in the Welterweight division as HBO made out. "The Welterweight who hits like a HEAVYWEIGHT".

 

Yeah that was all bullcrap. But he was the face of HBO, hence the extremely biased commentary in the Tito bout.

 

I agree rounds should be scored by the full 3 mins not a 30 sec burst, and you are right Oscar did take time off in round 9, but as I recall it, still did more in that round and landed more. I guess thats why we have 3 judges for different opinions

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Just watched round 9 and still feel it was an Oscar round. Tito was pressuring but Oscar seemed to ride shots and block shots and land more

 

"I won because I out hurt him!" Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound?

When were either of them ever hurt in that fight? I was expecting a war, turned out to be a bore. Oscar completely shut down Tito's offense. It was only when Oscar tried to sit on his lead that Tito even started to get into the fight

 

:rofl atsch Tito Bambino won 3-4 rounds at the most. Tito was the clear loser that night, but he had Don King so you know how that goes.

 

I'm not coming in for that. There were some close scorecards simply because they were based on the criteria for judging a fight but in reality the fight wasn't close at all. On paper it was a close fight, now that's as far as I'm going.