Oscar "Floyd dont know how to block the jab!" Tru or False?!

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  1. VG_Addict

    VG_Addict Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    That's what I mean. Pacquiao doesn't have an elite jab.
     
  2. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Oscar always saying he has the blueprint he needs to stop this.
     
  3. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It's a range finder for him. He kind of just flicks it out there. Can definitely be countered/exploited.

    I mean, can you honestly pick a single round in his career where you've seen Pacquiao win that round because of his jab? He just uses it to setup the left, or bait for a right hook. Jab/double-jab, shoot the left hand. Jab-Feint, right hook. I mean... it's not rocket science. Yea, he'll feint and bait, but he's not THAT slick man. Pac only does so much. That **** is not going to be working against Floyd. And Pac doesn't have a plan B.

    Put me in the Roger Mayweather camp: "I don't think he can do **** with Floyd. Period." - That is exactly how I feel.

    But hey, I could be wrong. And don't even get me started on range. That's a whole other thing. Casual fans are in for a rude awakening. I honestly can't wait. :deal
     
  4. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Said it before on here...if you have a rough time with an orthodox jab, you'll have a rough time with a fast southpaw's straight left. Some will disagree. Anyone who has boxed a good amount of southpaws will understand. The route the punch takes can be identical. And none of this bullsh*t about "the rear hand gives more time to react." If you watch how Floyd, Manny, and RJJ take those inches off their rear hand leads, you'll get it.

    More technical: If you want to jab an opposite-stance fighter, the thing to do is take the inside angle. Why do you think Floyd always takes the inside angle against a southpaw when he wants to shoot a lead right to the head or body? Because it functions as a jab for him. Why do you think Manny counters jabs by shooting his straight left? Because it functions as a jab for him.

    That said, most fighters can get hit with a jab from time to time.
     
  5. IntentionalButt

    IntentionalButt Guy wants to name his çock 'macho' that's ok by me

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    That is somewhat true, but the mechanics (if not the plane or trajectory) of a jab are still entirely different than with a cross or rear-hand lead.
     
  6. KillSomething

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    That's...what a southpaw is SUPPOSED to do to an opposite stance fighter. Point me to a fight where Floyd was effective with his jab against a southpaw. Point me to a fight where Rigondeaux does anything BUT what you described about Pacquiao's jab.

    A southpaw is supposed to use the jab to distract, obstruct, and steer the opponent. It's not much of a scoring blow in an opposite stance fight, though exceptions do exist.
     
  7. markq

    markq Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Is this another DLH blueprint?
     
  8. KillSomething

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    Usually. Pacquiao and Floyd both tend to square their shoulders before shooting the rear hand when they want to use it as a jab. So it comes out almost identical to the jab of an earmuff fighter. They both lean their body into it more, but it's still pretty similar in effect.
     
  9. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm saying there isn't a lot of variation. The man isn't exactly Pernell Whitaker with his traps. It's the same combinations to set things up. jab/double-jab, shoot the straight left. jab-feint, throw the right hook. Yea, I know there is a bit more to this but you get what I'm saying here. That isn't a lot to take away for a defensive great. What happens when this isn't working for Pac? What is his plan B? Because I don't see it.

    And a stiff jab should always at least be an option in your bag. Not having one is just one less thing for an opponent to worry about. I understand that the lead hands will be tied up more because of the stances, but the absence of a stiff jab is a negative. Period.

    i.e - Floyd can jab with Pac. Pac can't jab with Floyd. And that will make a difference when you start throwing in feints, or hooking off it. Just IMO. What good is your jab-feint if I already know you're just using it to setup a right hook because your jab isn't going to do anything?

    I'll take Floyd's left over Pac's right. Perhaps you feel the opposite. Either way, this gets settled in less than a week thank goodness. :good


    And range.... the range. How is Pacquiao going to stay at mid-range without getting hit? When it comes to fighting at the various ranges, Mayweather has significant advantages here as well. The jab/lead hand is going to be a factor when you add in the reach and height advantages. Mayweather knows how to fight tall and will have Pac reaching. Again, just my opinion.

    This is honestly a very easy fight to call in my view. If it goes the other way I'll be absolutely shocked and will have no problem admitting how wrong I was.
     
  10. KillSomething

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    Floyd WON'T jab with Pac, though. Neither guy has much use for a jab in an opposite stance fight.

    Pac not having a jab would only become a problem if he was fighting another southpaw who DID have a jab (Whitaker would be a good example).

    I think Pac's variation comes from the fact that he doesn't throw his punches traditionally. When he comes at you, it's very hard to tell what he's about to throw/how he's going to throw it/whether it's going upstairs or downstairs/whether it's a real punch or a throwaway to set up the next one. That makes it very hard to catch and counter.
     
  11. victor879

    victor879 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Interesting opinion. :good Can't wait for this fight! :bbb:bbb
     
  12. Peppermint

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    Oscar in his prime beats Mayweather
     
  13. IntentionalButt

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    ...like, the Oscar that lose to Shane, and Tito, and nearly Quartey?
     
  14. The Mongoose

    The Mongoose I honor my bets banned

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    Did you really score Shane II and Tito for Shane and Tito?
     
  15. Pimp C

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    :lol::rofl
    Yeah sure he does the loser of most of his big fights would find a way to lose that one to.

    Lets see PBF undefeated in big fights vs a guy who lost most of his.:deal