Oscar: I want to make Canelo vs GGG rematch, but Lemieux is another option.

Arguing with him about Canelo is like touching his private parts without his permission.. Don't bother Sup Isalito??

 

Arguably beating isn't winning.

Trout lost a close but clear fight against Canelo and the Charlo fight could have gone either way BUT WHAT HAS CHARLO DONE TO BE CONSIDERED ELITE?

Also for the record I don't and never have rated Geale.....hes a quitter, but against Cotto he was a weight drained quitter.

And how exactly did GGG take punishment against Geale? ......I'll tell you what is a fact Lara got a gift against Molina, the same Molina who was beaten by Mike Alvarado and completely dominated by Cornelius Bundrage.....and that is your "elite" win LMFAO.

For the record Golovkin was robbed, he clearly won 9-3/8-4.

Keep reaching, answer me this if Lara is "elite" and Golovkin is a hype job why has Golovkin never got a gift draw off a C Level fighter like Molina?

 

So was Jacobs...

 

OMG, am I arguing with a child?

Arguably means an "argument" can be made that the decision could have gone the other way. Just like some think Golovkin "arguably" beat Canelo, or like others believe Jacobs "arguably" beat Golovkin.

When Trout beat Cotto he was considered the best JrMW and despite him being a very high risk low reward fight Canelo took it.

IDGAF who you rate or not. The fact is that Geale is one of GGG's best names on his resume, and little ass Cotto fought him at MW and KTFO in a more dominant fashion than GGG. Geale was 2 pounds lighter than when he fought GGG, and one pound lighter than when he beat Sturm.

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Cotto ****ed him up good.

EVERY fighter is bound to take some kind of punishment in the ring. What I said was that Cotto took LESS punishment than Golovkin. In other words, Geale had more success landing meaningful punches against GGG than he did against Cotto. Watch the fights so that you can be better informed.

GGG got a gift against Jacobs. I can play that game too. Everyone is bound to have an off night, and having a close fight or a controversial fight doesn't negate the fact that he IS the best JrMW and is an elite fighter. You're probably new to boxing, you probably part of this new generation of fight fans who are growing up in a weak commercialized era where having an undefeated record is more important than taking on all comers, and you probably think that anyone with a loss or two is damaged goods. Sucks for you guys.

What record? The official record said it was a draw. I personally had Canelo clearly winning the first 3, the last 3, and an argument can be made for another round, I believe either rd 9 or 10. Canelo landed the cleaner more consistent power punches throughout the fight, he put a ****ing beating on Golovkin's body and chinned checked him multiple times while the scary power punching maniac GGG was reduced to flicking jabs all night.

Unlike you, I love boxing more than I like specific fighters, and I can see how someone could argue GGG outworked Canelo with the jab, boxing is very subjective. The fact is that the fight was a draw, Canelo moved up to fight the established MW champion who was the favorite and according to many of you GGG was supposed to easily KO Canelo, but again, he was reduced to throwing the safest, weakest punch in boxing.

Not sure what the **** you're talking about. I have not said GGG is a hype job, and he is in fact an elite fighter, he has however gotten much underserved hype. GGG has been sold to us as a KO artist, but every time he's stepped up he has been unable to KO his opposition. He's been fed very poor opposition most of his career.

So going back to my original post. GGG has had two real challenges against top level fighters, one against Jacobs where he failed to KO and "arguably" lost, and one against a fighter moving up in Canelo, who fought him to a draw and reduced the power punching KO artists to a jab in fear of getting KTFO while the shorter naturally smaller fighter was throwing punches to KO GGG, while Canelo has taken on everyone worth a **** from Mayweather, Trout, Lara, Cotto, and GGG regardless of weight, purses or any other bull****.

In terms of accomplishments
Canelo > GGG

 

When did that happen?

Has he phoned the police?

 

But your original point is weak if you only consider Jacobs and Canelo as "elite" fighters and the rest b level or whatever when you go and consider fighters like Trout, Lara and Charlo "elite" when they have been fed a steady string of B level fighters themselves at 154.

As for Geale he was a weak champion, a fighter drained in weight to be stopped off Cotto only to go straight up to 168.

Do you not think that Canelo opting to wait until Golovkin got to his mid 30's just may of have had something to do with him suddenly wanting tge fight after numerous fights at Caneloweight?

You've still yet to explain how Trout is elite.

 

You're weak, you're entire argument is weak.

Trout dominating Cotto is better than any single win GGG has had. That win alone coupled with his 5 successful world title fights, and his controversial loss to Jermell make him not only world level, but an elite fighter in his respective division.

Geale is a weak Champion, but right before and immediately after GGG fought him he was considered one of GGG's best wins..LOL, how you GGGoons change your tune to suit your agenda is laughable.

Canelo defended his Lineal MW title for the first time on 05/2016, the fight with GGG was announced a year after his first defense. Not sure what you're crying about here. This isn't Golovkin time, he is the B side.

 

So by the fight being in Vegas, that's Canelo imposing "conditions" on Triple G? Even though he doesn't live in Las Vegas, because he's fought in Vegas more than Triple G does. OK lmao. It's just so funny because a bunch of G fans were making a big stink about how the fight couldn't be in Texas, remember that? It couldn't be in Texas, it couldn't be in Cowboy Stadium, because G wouldn't get a fair decision there. So they have it Vegas, the Boxing Capital of the world, and then all of a sudden that becomes Canelo's "home town" too. So, because Gennady hadn't fought in Vegas before, a place that's pretty much the standard place for major fights, all of a sudden that's Canelo's "home town" and not only that, but you're saying that the fight simply being in Vegas to you is a "condition" that Canelo is imposing on him? I mean, wow, if having the fight in Vegas is a condition that Canelo is imposing on Gennady, then I couldn't imagine how you myst view the last decade or so of Mayweather's career lmao, who not only never fought outside of Vegas during that time period, but actually lives in Las Vegas!

I think you’re exaggerating the amount of Canelo fans in the crowd saying it was a house packed full of Canelo supporters. Granted I’m guessing there were more Canelo fans than G fans, and probably a good amount of neutrals. If I had to guess, maybe it was something like 40% Canelo fans, 30% G fans, and 30% neutral or something.

Maybe 60% Canelo fans, 20% fans G, or 20% neutrals, who knows. But I would think that G is a big enough star that I’m guessing that a good portion of the crowd were loud vocal Triple G fans. Even if the vast majority were Canelo fans, still you'd presumably have a vocal section of G fans who were booing during the post fight interview (when no one else is cheering since the fight isn’t going on) and that could sound pretty fricken loud I’d imagine. Also if you watch it, when the boos occur both Max and Canelo’s eyes shift to a specific area of the crowd presumably where the boos were coming from, which indicates that it was a localized section of fans rather than “the entire arena” as you’ve made it seem like it was.

The question of why were Canelo’s fans nowhere to be heard is obvious : Because it was during an interview where the crowd is usually listening to Max’s question and to the Boxer’s response.

Quite frankly, when the boos were heard, that’s not typically when you get a rousing cheer for a fighter. Why would you expect Canelo’s fans to be cheering loudly precisely when Max is asking him a question?? (that’s when the boos were heard) I’d expect Canelo’s fans to cheer when Canelo says something like “Viva la Mexico” or something that would prompt a crowd response, not when he was being asked a question. Also as I pointed out before, he was being asked questions like whether or not he'd change his style in the rematch, which isn't exactly a question that would prompt a cheer from Canelo fans, if anything I'd imagine there may have been Canelo fans who would boo that question as their way to say "No Canelo shoudn't change how he fought in the rematch".

The rest of the arena were probably just standing there politely and respectfully listening to the interview. The Triple G fans presumably decided to obnoxiously start booing when Max turned the microphone away from G and towards Canelo. To that, you conclude that Canelo’s own fans were actually booing him, which is quite preposterous.

 

Shadow111--
You seem to be missing the point. Many fans, myself included, felt GGG would not get a fair shake on the cards if it went the distance. You do seem to be reasonable and I like to think I am as well. I scored the fight 8-4 for GGG and then I scored it 7-5 the next day for GGG. I think 7-5 either way or 6-6 is within reason.

But then we get an "official" scorecard of 10-2? That does not at all reflect how close that fight was. It only lends itself to the continued argument and belief that GGG can not get a fairshake against Canelo with the Judges. It also adds to the continued position that Canelo has at least 1 pocket judge that seems to see a different fight than everyone else.

 

I understand that, and I get that, and when you put it that way, I can understand that the Byrd card gives you the confirmation bias that you need to justify your concerns about the judging. However, it's just one scorecard, and it doesn't prove that "she was Canelo's pocket judge".

Have you considered the possibility that she was impressed with the quality of Canelo's punches in 10 out of the 12 rounds and that perhaps she didn't have an agenda to score rounds for Canelo like you are suggesting?

In almost every round, Canelo was having success. In almost every round, you could find something that Canelo did to give him the round. Like in the 6th, G outworked Canelo, but Canelo did land that vicious uppercut. G didn't land an uppercut like that. Canelo landed the best punch in the round. Byrd was obviously impressed by that punch and thought it was enough to win Canelo that round. In Round 8, a similar thing occurred, only Canelo landed several impressive punches including another vicious uppercut with 41 seconds left. (And Canelo finished the round strong)

Round 9, another round that Canelo landed the best punches in the round. G outworked him, but didn't land anything as good as Canelo landed. As a judge, that could be enough to give Canelo rounds.

Do you understand how disrespectful it is for Canelo to have that much success in rounds but to not get credit for winning them?

In rounds 1,2,3,5,6,8,9,10,11,&12, Saul Canelo Alvarez was having a lot of success. It's not unreasonable to score those rounds for Canelo. Rounds 5,6,8,&9 are the only rounds that Byrd scored for Canelo that people disagree with and they are not rounds that Triple G dominated Canelo in. Round 5, HBO punch stats had Canelo with a 14-9 advantage. Rounds 6,8,9, Canelo clearly landed the best punches of the round by Far.

Byrd gave those rounds to Canelo because she thought he won those rounds by landing the more better quality effective punches. It's not some vast conspiracy, Saul Canelo Alvarez is just that damn good and he did enough in her estimation to win those rounds. A similar pheneomenon happened in SRL vs Hagler, with one judge having it 118-110 for SRL but the other two had it closer. It happens, judges see fights differently. Why you don't watch rounds 5,6,8,&9 again and pay attention to what Canelo was landing in those rounds and understand why it was better than what G was landing.

 

Jacobs got robbed in the exact same place and in the exact same way you claim Bumlovkin got robbed..

 

Shadow,

Do you even know what confirmation bias means? Its when a person views or interprets information in a way that supports their opinion, but they ignore evidence that does not support their view. By the way, it is something we all do--you can deny you don't but it is a demonstratable psychological condition.

Having the belief that the 10-2 score card confirms the pre fight notion that GGG would not get a fair shake isnt confirmation bias, it is the observation of previous history when it comes to Canelo and big fights.

Lets look at a few--
GGG--Majority of people thought GGG won this fight. Espn had it 116-112. AP-draw
Yet we have a wide card of 10-2

Cotto--ESPN had it 115-113 for canelo, but we have a massive card of 119-109

Lara--ESPN 115-113 Lara--AP Draw--HBO-115-113 Canelo--but we have a wide 117-111 card

Floyd--AP 11-1 FM, RINGTV-116-113 FM, ESPN 12-0 FM, yet we have the Draw card from CJ Ross--that you defended.

Trout--ESPN (Dan) 114-113 Canelo, Bernstein Draw, but we have a 118-109.

That's 5 fights that there seems to be at least one outlier scorecard that confirms scoring bias toward Canelo. So thinking GGG would get screwed on the cards is not confirmation bias because of the 10-2, it confirms a previous pattern.

I have said I thought it was a close fight. I believe you have said that elsewhere and I believe you have said you scored it either 8-4 or 7-5 for Caneleo. I think 7-5 either way is within reason.

But 10-2 leads me to believe she is a horrible judge, or she let her own $confirmation bia$ score the fight for her.


And I don't believe it was "disrespectful" to Canelo to score certain rounds for GGG. Canelo spent much of the fight going backwards. GGG out worked him in a lot of those rounds. Landing a few big shots, may not win you the round if for the other 2:30 you are on your bike being outworked.


You bring up the SRL/Hagler fight. Great. Show me another close fight where SRL was given such a wide score. If it was just the once for Canelo, it could be reasoned away. But 5 times as pointed out in other close fights? That starts to show a pattern.

 

Who's Bumlovkin?

Is he a homosexual pornstar you follow?

 

I would love to have Canelo vs Lemieux. What a good fight. But then i see no reasons at all why that should stop Canelo vs GGG 2 or happen before it. When the full flocus is on the rematch im not even sure why Oscar is mentioning the Canadian. Personally i just dont trust Oscar and GBP. Maybe they dont want the rematch. It wouldnt surprise me.