Oscar: "I Would Have Beaten Floyd If I Was Younger"

I had Floyd needing a knockout going into the 8th.

 

Andn thats why no one takes you seriously here........

 

Exactly. He was having a lot of success early on with the jab.

I definitely think he proved that if he fought Floyd in his prime, he wins.

 

He threw more jabs in the second half of the fight, Floyd had just nullified it. I want to know where this "Oscar stopped jabbing" myth came from, because it's an incontrovertible fact that he threw more jabs in the second half.

Oscar was never really in this fight, only a casual eye would think so. His flurries created alot of "oooos" and "ahhhs" for the casual fan, but upon closer inspection, he was doing no damage at all. I don't think I need to tell you who dominated the clean punching.

 

This.

He didn't just decide "f*ck it the jabs working but I cant be bothered with it anymore"

I do agree a younger prime Oscar could have beat Floyd though.

 

Oscar was up 4-2 at the half.

Floyd swept the last four rounds.

It was closer than most admit.

Floyd senior had it for Oscar.

However, there's more to the story than Oscar just stopping with the jab. Floyd had something to do with that.

 

He might've. :conf

They are from different eras, as far as time spent in the same weight division, with their overlap not coinciding with both of their primes - so at the end of the day he can surmise that he would and Floyd can surmise otherwise and really, based on how their actual meeting went (and on their overall bodies of work), you can point out logic supporting either case.

The same applies with DLH vs. Sweet Pea - had Pea been younger, would he beat DLH? He can definitely make that case, based on running him close while DLH was prime and he wasn't. OTOH, just like here, maybe not. Maybe even prime Whitaker loses to DLH and prime DLH loses to Mayweather. DLH might not have fought a prime Whitaker the same way he fought the older version; perhaps with different tactics he would even fare better than he did. Likewise perhaps Mayweather treats a prime DLH a bit differently and finds a stylistic gap to exploit and beats him even more clearly in a prime-for-prime match.

No way to say for sure without a time machine as there was never a time when their primes overlapped.

 

It's Oscar himself who started this "i stopped throwingmy jab" theory...his jab didn't do **** in the fight period. His size and strength is the only thing that caused Floyd problems

 

So he didn't land jabs early on?

 

oscar, you yourself said many times i had no confidence, that is why i delved in the dark side right?

 

Oscar's best moments where using his size, pushing Floyd on the ropes, throwing his wild flurries while Floyd goes on defense. In the middle of the ring where the jab reigns supreme Floyd dominated the action....Oscar's strategy was to make it a rough and dirty fight ala Castillo, not to try to outbox Floyd with a jab! And when Oscar did throw his jab he got pull countered and hit in the body!

 

Their first fight really wasn't as close as some people are making it out to be.

I thought FLoyd won comfortably at 9-3. If you want to be generous, you can call it 8-4.

Most of Oscar's flurries, especially when he threw them while pinning FLoyd on the ropes weren't hitting him cleanly, with the majority of shots being deflected off of FLoyd's elbows and shoulders.

The funny thing about that fight was FLoyd was definitely not on his "A" game either. It was one of his more mundane performances in quite some time.

At their very best, I would favor FLoyd significantly. Oscar was a very good fighter in his prime, but he always came up short in his biggest of fights.

 

I thought Floyd won comfortably actually, somewhere around 9-3 actually. Here's my reasoning. In the early rounds the jab was being thrown more effectively because he used it to get inside on Floyd and flurry on the ropes, and floyd basically let him because was testing the waters. But as the rounds progressed Floyd realized that that tactic would not work because he would lose rounds based on inactivity and letting Oscar throw meaningless punches and steal rounds even when his work was much much more effective. So, he started keeping it in the center, where Oscars jab stopped being effective because Floyd kept Oscar from getting him to the ropes, and started pull countering, outworking DLH, throwing body shots, and moving to stipple his output. Oscar never stopped throwing the jab, he was actually forced to jab more later because the fight almost never got to the ropes after the first few, because Floyd didn't let it. Floyd never really had the chance to pull counter it the way he wanted, but if you watch the jab was being parried, checked, or completely evaded almost every time, actually more jabs seemed to land to his chest than his head. As the jab was being taken care of DLH had no method of getting in on Floyd and the fight became a one sided sweep in the second half, as Floyd upped the pace, kept his distance, and started throwing great body shots and leading more often to put Oscar more on the defensive while landing crispy shots. 9-3 by way of shackling the jab. The "dispense of the jab" is a myth. If it was working why the hell would you stop using it? Makes no sense does it? It sure doesn't to me.