Oscar vs Mosley II was the biggest mistake of the 00s

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by horst, Jun 15, 2010.


  1. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Some people think Chavez beat Whitaker, or actually drew with him, some people think Trinidad beat De La Hoya... But the VAST majority, the majority who isn't necessarily baised, blind, stupid, or hater know Oscar won. So there's a few people with agenda's who say Mosley won...It doesn't make it more debatable than the JCC-Whitaker draw.

    As far as SIGNIFICANT IMPACT..Dude, I already explained how it did..

    Mosley becomes:
    4 time world champ
    3 Division Champ
    unified jr MW champ
    lock in to the HoF
    back on the top of the rankings
    future of JrMW changed under a shady decision

    Mosley defitnately would not be rated so high, and his place in history would not have been so generous..people would not overrate him like they do today and rank him above ODLH, and Trinidad like SOME people do.

    He would ONLY be a 2 division champ, and the first fight with DLH could have easily been looked at as a FLUKE by some if not many.

    But instead Mosley locked himself into the boxing hall of fame by winning his 4 title in his 3rd division.

    OSCAR DE LA HOYA would have not moved to 160 and lost to Hopkins...Likely he would have made big money fights against the other 154 contenders and champ. He had options with Ouma, karmazin, Jantuah, and further unifying against Daniel Santos in a Puerto Rico vs Mexico Title fight, a fight very winnable for Oscar.

    Most people agree that DLH won..not even debatable for about 80%...the other 20% are haters, nuthuggers, blind, or have a starnge way of scoring fights.

    The decision was horrible according to the VAST MAJORITY. It was called a crime by many. It left a horrible taste in the mouths of the casual fan, and it was defitnately a blackeye for boxing. It was one of the biggest fights during the period, and despite Oscar doing what he needed to do, doing what most fans wanted him to do (win) and actually doing it, the corrupt judges robbed Oscar, the fans, and boxing in general.

    Had Oscar won it woukld not been called a Robbery. Had Oscar won, many casual fans would not have been turned off (even die hard fans, Had Oscar won boxing would not ONCE again look like a corrupt, unreliable sport.

    I'll tell you who won besides Mosley, those who betted on the underdog Mosley. I wonder what powers betted on Mosley. :think

    You're angry about something...why?
     
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  2. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    and neither would 95% of HONEST fighters today. ;)

    As far as not winning a round past the 6th...there were several CLOSE rounds, that Mosley won, that one can argue DLH won, but CLOSE never the less.

    But fighters aren't JUDGED on 15 rounds today, they are judges on 12 rounds. :deal So matters not what he would, could, in the 15 rds day..it's irrelevant. Fighters train for 12 today, not 15.
     
  3. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    so you're going to group every questionable decision in the same categlory? it was a while ago, but imo, remembering what happened, dlh had won 7-5, and should have gotten the decision. but was it as bad as the whiatker draw or even dlh-trinidad, why dont you do a poll and see what other people think.

    man you should know, people who get caught up in those abc belts are causal fans. true boxing purists look at who you fight and who you beat. dlh is not held in the regard he because he is a 6-time division champ, its because of the guys who he fought. his resume is superb. mosley to the same extent has doen the same thing, fought alot of great opponents and won and lost some, thats what hes judged on, the ENTIRE body of work. and you dont know if Mosley couldn't have bounced back having loss that decision. you can say it for a fact, an you?


    the second dlh win is not even is 1 or 2 best wins. the margo victory and the first dlh, were he beat a PRIME dlh, are the wins that highlight his career. the 2nd dlh fight is a fight that several thought he lost anyway, so you take that win out of his resume, it dosent change his standing in history especially when he beat dlh at least once, when both were at their best.

    he had the most to gain by fighting hopkins. you dont think that a victory over hopkins would have meant more then beating any of those other guys. and it was a big money fight. you cant prove that he still wouldnt have fought hopkins even if he had gotten the decision in the Mosley rematch.



    :rofl if you dont like nuthuggers then dont be one youself. how can you prove that many causal boxing fans were turned off. if thats the case they why did dlh and hopkins have a big fight a year later. it was a bad decision, that mosley was fortunate to get but dont overstate the issue. there have been much worse decisions that hurt boxing more then what happened that night, and the sport keeps on going
     
  4. Flexb

    Flexb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Meanwhile, Oscar still OUTLANDED tito in punches throughout those final rounds. Had Oscar have stood his ground more early on in the fight, he would've knocked Tito out. Mayorga was asked who was the harder puncher of the two since he had first hand experience and he said Oscar did.
     
  5. horst

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    I'm glad you are on this thread to try and explain to this guy, because I really don't have enough energy or interest to do so, he is very dim I think.
     
  6. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Camacho indirectly said Oscar was better fighter than Trinidad when he said Oscar was the BEST fighter he had ever fought.
     
  7. Hookie

    Hookie Affeldt... Referee, Judge, and Timekeeper Full Member

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    The first fight was close, I had Mosley up by a point. The rematch was close as well, I had DeLaHoya up by 2 points. I must say that I thought the rematches with Forrest and Wright were very close fights. I call it like I see it.
     
  8. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    :yepyeah since you cant even refute your own claims in your own thread, maybe you're to dim to do so. its all good.:D
     
  9. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Two *******s going at it! can this be staged?!
     
  10. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    :lol: two *******s? you wrong about that. however, maybe your friend over there is one.
     
  11. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Could have sworn you were a *******...:huh If your not my sincerest apologies, I never meant to offend you, and disrespect you in that way...No normal human being deserves to be belittled in such way...

    ...you know, *******s come up with the Darnest names to try to seperate themselves from that Pacquiao obsession..they sometime imitate Fighters names, like Popkins=Hopkins, or use fighters names they know **** about like QuarteyJab, or use other ESB member names but switch a letter to confuse tgem...I'm sure theres a ******* out there with the username Sliver..that's where I got confused.
     
  12. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    yeah, you're confused with someone else. dont worry about it, you're forgiven.
     
  13. Smoochie

    Smoochie G.R.E.B G.O.A.T Full Member

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    Fantastic post, just watched this and Oscar DOMINATED
     
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  14. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    This was my scorecard when i watched it last year.


    Shane Mosley vs ODLH 2

    1 ODLH
    2 ODLH
    3 Mosley
    4 ODLH
    5 Mosley
    6 ODLH
    7 ODLH
    8 ODLH
    9 Mosley
    10 ODLH
    11 ODLH
    12 Mosley

    116-112 ODLH

    Awful decision i really don't know how Mosley got the nod here, ODLH fought a smarter fight and controlled the fight with his jab in the first half of the fight. Mosley just wasn't throwing enough punches and any of the rounds he did make competitive ODLH just out punched him.

    Yes Mosley when he did land did indeed land the harder punches but it was one punch at a time, ODLH for me controlled the fight with his jab despite fading a tad down the stretch. He still out punched Mosley in most of the rounds and deserved to win the fight.
     
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  15. drenlou

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    Yep I had it the same score for De La Hoya in the rematch.
     
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